Dear Readers:
The Crocus massacre, as terror attacks go, was brilliantly organized and implemented. Who knew that just 4 guys in a white Renault could inflict so much mayhem? I am not being sarcastic. I am sure there will be conspiracy theories galore, but it does really seem like 4 guys can just walk into a theater, shoot everyone, set the place on fire, run back to their getaway car, and drive away. And it really does seem like that is exactly what happened here.
The only glitch in their plan was encountering a road block. According to this piece, law enforcement people in Bryansk spotted the vehicle and tried to pull it over. The Renault made a run for it. A car chase ensued. A few kilometers later, near a forest, the Renault overturned, four guys spilled out of it and made a run for the trees. The piece says that two of them got away, which contradicts earlier claims of 4 detained in that one incident. The remaining two are ethnic Tadjiks, one was injured and is in the hospital.
Using ethnic Tadjiks as the killers is actually a brilliantly evil stroke, on the part of those who crafted this attack. Ethnic Russians already complain about “guest workers” and their crime sprees. Within hours, paid internet trolls were calling for pogroms against the neighborhoods where these guest workers from the Caucasus and Central Asia tend to congregate.
Fortunately, Russian information warriors saw this one coming a mile away and reacted instantaneously. Editors of major Russian media came out immediately to squash the attempt to sow discord between different ethnic groups. For example, Marina Akhmedova, Chief Editor of Regnum, immediately clarified that migrational politics is a completely different issue and should not be confused with terrorism, as Russia’s enemies will attempt to do: “I myself am a very strong proponent of a strict policy on immigration and migration… But when I saw that they [Westies] are trying to shake us up and use the ethnic and migrational situation as a lever to bring about our destruction, well I decided to sharply rein in my fervor (literally “sharply screw down my wick” – резко прикрутила свой фитиль). And I have advised everyone else to do the same thing. As I have already stated a hundred times, it is not important of which nationality were the terrorists who shot the people in Crocus. The only important thing is who organized it.”
Along the same lines, journalist Andrei Medvedev points out that Russia’s enemies are already pushing the meme that all of this happened because Russia is incapable of working out its migrational issues. “This is why they picked these particular guys, who can barely speak Russian. Please, you can’t fool us with this b.s. We do have some issues with our migrational policies, that’s a fact. But that’s a different matter, and completely irrelevant to the current issue. Our enemies are trying to push us to attack non-Russians…”
The Actual Perps
In this piece, we get to watch a video of an actual, on-the-spot interrogation of one of the Tadjik paid perps. This shivering terrified man (some commenters suggest that he is rudely crashing from a drug high) says his name is Fariddun Shamsutdin, although in this other piece, his family name is given as Merzoev.
Either way this shivering, blubbering wreck of a man confesses to interrogators that he entered Russia from Turkey. Another perfect touch! Whoever designed this attack created a perfect work of art. Now there will be even more distrust between Russia and Turkey, than there was before! As well as enraging ethnic Russians against their Muslim co-citizens.
According to the terrorist, he was recruited online for this mission, by a “holy man’s helper”, roughly one month ago. His curators promised him a million rubles to “kill everyone in the theater”, half up front and the rest after the conclusion of the mission. The money was put on a debit card for his use. The interrogators eke out of him his date of birth (17 September 1998) and his name. About which, as I mentioned, there is confusion.
Oh, and here is another interrogation video from that same piece. Again, don’t click on the screenshot, you can watch the video in the piece itself:
This one seems more of a tough guy than his shivering colleague. Unfortunately, he doesn’t speak Russian, only Tadjik. An interpreter assists. The guy knows how to be laconic and say as little as possible.
Apparently this guy and his colleagues were staying in a local hostel. They purchased a car, in the hope of earning money as taxi drivers. They came in contact with some other types having names like Abdullo and Mohammad, who offered them money for a certain type of work that was not exactly the same as driving a taxi.
Don’t Fall For the Narrative
Returning to the Informational Warfare piece. The Russian government and police have a Sisyphean task ahead of them: Not only to solve the criminal case, but to keep the public from falling for the slick, deceptive narrative which Russia’s enemies will try to impose. Already the paid Westie bots are active on every forum, promoting their CIA talking points.
Russian media counters with human interest stories, such as this one. In which a Muslim schoolboy named Islam saved the lives of over 100 people, as he guided them out of the burning building.
Islam was working that night in the “wardrobe” of the theater. I don’t know of “wardrobe” is the right word, American theaters don’t have these things any more, although museums do. In European theaters, it’s a room where you can hang your coat, and retrieve it later, with a ticket. The Russian word is “garderob” (гардероб), which is borrowed from the French la garderobe.
Anyhow, we will put aside why an underage schoolboy is working at night in a theater, and focus on his act of heroism. The lad had been well trained in emergency situations. The moment he heard gunshots, he positioned himself in the lobby where he could greet and guide a frightened crowd of over 100 people who were rushing hither and thither and not knowing where to run. Thanks to his cool head and knowledge of the geography, Islam was able to guide them to the exit in an orderly fashion, avoiding a stampede.
RT Telegram published footage (which I can’t find) of the youngster calling out: “People, people! There is shooting! Go that way, go that way, everybody leave through there! Go towards the Expo!”
Awful Avalanche 
There are videos of all four alleged shooters, including one of the guy who had his ear sliced off since he was reluctant to talk. Unfortunately I watched it before going to bed yesterday and got the not so delicate surgery on my mind a couple of times during the night.
I’m not a great fan of corporal or capital punishment, not because I think it’s barbaric but because you cannot undo it and most justice systems are crooked. Anyway, Russia could declare the perpetrators as being mercenaries for Ukraine, say that Geneva convention doesn’t apply, and shoot them. It may not be exactly according to the law but apart from some hypocritical Europeans I doubt anyone would care.
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I didn’t see or hear about the one with the ear sliced off. That’s not right, torture is never right. Police can get the info they need without torturing or mutilating people. And they shouldn’t kill them either, they need them alive to testify at the trial.
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As I understand what I read/saw, the guy got his ear cut off with the knife he himself had used to cut the throat of one of the Crocus City Hall civilians. They’d found such a video on his phone, and maybe he was being evasive about answering their questions about how and why this video came to be on his phone.
Going out on a limb here — I’m guessing it was one of Kadyrov’s Akhmat fighters who dished out this instance of ‘frontier justice.’ It’s horrible and unacceptable to us, and the authorities will no doubt mete out some punishment to this individual; but, I will argue that Tadjiks and Chechens understand one another.
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That last paragraph is a fine example of unmindful racism. I guess “us” refers to Western Christians and “white” Russians (even though, as Queen Victoria said, they “hardly deserve the name of real Christians”) while such mutilation is quite natural for those Asian bearded Muslims.
I see that Western media spread the same theory, but I have yet to see any evidence that Akhmat forces suddenly should have joined the Russian police.
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Unmindful racism, you say. Hmmm. Here was me, talking about frontier justice. Then, you bring religion into it, and call it ‘racism’. I’ll assume race and religion are somehow co-dependant in your world view. I find that interesting. But, you make a lot of assumptions.
No, the Akhmat forces didn’t suddenly “join the Russian police” if by that you mean signed up to be policemen. But yes, they did ‘join’ the police in the manhunt through the forest to round up the escaping shooters. Ramzan himself posted something about it. Go look.
When I suggested that Tajiks and Chechens will understand one another, I was thinking in terms of them being from neighbouring landscapes/cultures. I grew up in such a mountainous, frontier type situation. I can relate to those guys in some respects.
And, I effin’ LOVE the Akhmat forces. I’m sincerely hoping they will teach the Russkiys how to dance.
But, they can be rough.
As for this cutting of the ear, there may indeed be a religious message associated with that … I read just today about how it’s connected to a passage in the Koran about how Allah pulls you up to heaven by your ears. So, there’s that.
Anyway, Duke, thanks for the challenge.
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I didn’t know that Akhmat forces had joined the hunt. Thanks for enlightening me!
My point is that there’s no reason to believe that Akhmat forces more often go “outside protocol” than other parts of the Russian forces. The purported war crimes I’ve seen from the Russian side have not involved Akhmat. Yes, Kadirov is a thug who gives his 15 yo kid state awards for beating up prisoners. But in contrast, Alaudin comes across as the most soft spoken and humanitarian minded general of the whole RF.
Still, the West, including the pope, spread all kind of crap about Akhmat. At best they are rough or even “fierce warriors”. I’d rather say they’ve shown themselves as fine soldiers. Btw, there are also ethnic Russians in Akhmat.
The ear chopping, the filming and the release of the video was a carefully executed act, not something done on impulsive by a brutal unshaved, unhinged Chechen. The release must have been approved on a very high level. It’s the FSB’s (or some other police/semi-military unit’s) message to the world: “This is how we do it, and we don’t give a damn about what you think.”
Yes, I know about the possible religious meaning of ear chopping. If Kadirov planned this whole performance stunt together with the FSB, I’ll take my hat off for the execution of the plan.
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“… the West, including the pope, spread all kind of crap about Akhmat…
Ah! no doubt. I haven’t seen any of that as I quit reading and listening to Western “news” sources back in Y2K. On the principle of : to look at evil is to participate in evil.
Your point is well taken. I need to be more mindful of the cultural mindset.
Also, I think you’re right about the ear cutter being FSB. Apparently, it’s a technique.
Call me savage, but I have to confess: the ear-cutting bothers me less than pulling someone’s pants down and messing with their genitals. THAT, for me, is a big No No. But, it looks like they may be doing some of that, too.
However, given the policing methods and prison practices used in my own country, I don’t feel qualified to pass judgement on how another civilizational-space conducts its policing. Anymore than to say the high ground erodes from beneath your feet when you do sh^t like that.
On the other hand, when war is on the doorstep …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iXxxHaB5zU
we’re already in ‘uncivilized’ territory.
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I just think that torture, in additional to being morally reprehensible, is also indicative of bad police work. Lazy police work. It’s easy to beat somebody to a pulp or cut their ear off. Much harder to engage the perp and extract the information using psychological means.
Besides, what if (low probability, I admit) it turned out in the end that these guys were actually innocent, and it was all just a big misunderstanding? Then they confessed to everything because they were being tortured, meanwhile the real perps got away. That sort of thing actually happens in real life, from what I understand.
Cops be cops in any country, and they are usually a bunch of thugs and barely even a hair’s level among the criminals themselves… that’s my opinion.
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From what I understand, the Akhmat forces have been in that region for a while, defending the Belgorod border against the Ukrainian incursions. The Akhmat guys are perfect for that sort of operation, because the Ukrainians have been sending “special ops” types to do these incursions, and the Akhmat guys are special ops themselves.
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Maybe Akhmat was involved, but I want to see some evidence before conjuring up images of savage Muslims chopping each other up.
To me it’s much more probable that FSB did it. But if the facts change I’ll change my mind too.
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All the pics I’ve seen only mention FSB.
Maybe Akhmat was involved, but I want to see some evidence before conjuring up images of savage Muslims chopping each other up.
To me it’s much more probable that FSB did it. But if the facts change I’ll change my mind too.
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Good thoughts from both you and Y below. These four guys were clearly beaten senseless over the 24 hours before the trial, with one even arriving in a wheel chair. It’s not the first time I see photos of Russian detainees like that. But well, that’s the Russian way and I suspect the majority of the world think this is the right way. Actually I think a lot more people would be outraged if they knew that the Norwegian mass murderer Breivik who killed ~75 people now lives in a two floor apartment and spends his time complaining to the EU courts about the quality of his microwave dinners.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/inside-prison-mass-murderer-anders-breivik-norway-suing-isolation/
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Not ragging on Germans here, just adding a “forgotten” historical footnote:
Back in the day, when there were “two” Germanys [circa late 1970’s], the West German police used to be quite rough with US Soldiers that got out of line. Unless it was an “over the top” beating, US Base Commander’s attitude was something like “well soldier…you had it coming so…suck it up”.
People bitch about cops and… sometimes they do go a little overboard but, old-time policing produced a more peaceful society.
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Yeah, I saw those pics of the “alleged” perp arriving in court all beat up and crippled, in a wheelchair. This was the actual barber in this barbershop quartet. He had worked as an actual barber and had quite a nice haircut himself, before all of this happened.
One has to wonder at the caliber of Russian judges, like that one in the Basmanny Courtroom. Do they just look the other way and pretend they don’t notice that these suspects (who have not yet been convicted) have had the living shit beaten out of them?
Speaking of which, where is Patriarch Kirill in all of this? I haven’t heard a peep out of him. Isn’t he supposed to be the 600-pound Christian in the room? Russian Orthodox Church allegedly really big on forgiving everybody, even mass murderers. Allude to famous Russian folk song about the 12 robbers:
Legend of the Twelve Robbers – Alexey Gribanov (youtube.com)
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P.S. in the clip I posted, this is quite a remarkable performance of the famous song, despite the fact that the bass soloist sort of messed up the ending, in which the “twist” is revealed, that Father Piterim of the monastery IS actually the robber Kudear. They also sing a “softer” version of the second stanza in which the robbers “lived in the dreamy forest” instead of “the robbers killed many people in that forest”…. Nonetheless, a powerful rendition of a powerful song.
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Islam was one of several teenage cloakroom attendants who helped evacuate people. Two more whose names that have been mentioned are Artyom Donskov and Nikita Ivanov. I wish all the venue staff had shown behaviour as exemplary as a bunch of teens.
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Teens can be amazingly level-headed people in times of crisis. They are young and eager, not yet jaded, and presumably they had some basic training in fire drills and other emergency drills. Most “regular” people don’t take the emergency drills seriously, but they really ought to. Everybody in that theater should have had a basic understanding where to head if a fire broke out.
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And one more thing re: the ear, because I can’t shut up sometimes, and this is interesting to talk about — the ear-chopper tried to jam it down the now-one-eared guy’s mouth. I have also read it was a Chechen who did the surg-ear-y. Why were they involved? Are they everywhere? Is there a Chechen with each Russian unit? They would put the fear into any opponent they came across.
Although I don’t generally watch violent video, since seeing people suffering does not excite me, I did watch the footage of one of the terrorists being captured in a snow-speckled forest. It was on Larry Johnson’s blog, so I didn’t have to go searching for it; just needed a click. Sad to say, my bloodlust rose when I heard the guy whimpering as various Russians punched and stomped him. Instant karma, sukha! LJ, to his credit, pointed out that military officers should have stopped that in the interest of good discipline. I skipped the dis-ear-mboweling part.
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I mean, it shows a total lack of discipline that (a) these guys were allowed to do that to a detained suspect, and (b) that they filmed and uploaded to the internet. Now they are getting almost as bad as the Israeli IDF.
The officers should have put a stop to it and insisted the suspects be detained in a humane fashion, while questioned as soon as possible. This is not some violent American TV show like “24”, they don’t need to torture somebody on the spot in a timely fashion because a nuke is about to go off.
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of course you’re right yalensis.. keep up the great work my friend..
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Thanks, James! I am glad some of us are still sane. Well, if “seven” is right and a nuke is about to go off this afternoon, at least I’ll die with my sanity! That’s something, right?
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But, a nuke might be about to go off, yalensis.
Maybe not this afternoon, but that’s what the Taurus missile fuss has been about.
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I’ve read all sorts of stuff myself, including two other different hero stories about the Crocus incident. Decided not to view the ear cutting-off video.
Remember, eleven people in total have been arrested, and the four perps in the car were merely the hitmen. Intelligent nasty hit men who destroyed emergency lighting before entering the main hall to spray death — making escape harder for panicked people. “I only speak Tajik” — sure. Good thing Renault GPS has Tajik as a language or these guys would have got lost driving to Moscow, let alone find the hall, buy food, etc.
Russia is rightly in an uproar. Now recall our neocon masters through Israelis preaching from runes and old scriptures with voodoo fervour, kill and injure more Palestinian civilians every damn day than this Crocus hall mssacre. Plus starve ’em, haw, haw. Just for good measure and serious yuks.
Vote Trump! Vote Biden! Vote for American freedom! The US is beyond sick.
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I only watched those 2 vids that I posted. Nothing about an ear being sliced off. I wouldn’t watch it if I knew, and I don’t condone torture or mutiliation.
It’s hard to see that blubbering, shivering guy in the one vid as a criminal mastermind, but there you have it. These killers did everything “right” except for their escape. It was an absolutely perfect massacre up to that point.
The 7 other guys on the team must have been “back-end” support, in charge of logistics, etc.
Sometimes it seems like the simplest plans are the best plans. No “Mission Impossible” thing, with a thousand variables, where even the slightest random deviation will doom the plan. From what I know, 911 was also a relatively simple plan: Hijack a plane by threatening people with boxcutters, drive the plane into the tower, and boom! I know there are a lot of “deniers” who believe the towers were mined in advance, I was an agnostic on this until I saw this youtube video explaining the physics of it, the shoddy construction with the “perimeter tube” design:
(People can disagree. I’m not a true believer. Either way, that particular terrorist act was also ordered by somebody, in order to create a certain effect, that goes without saying…)
The Collapse of World Trade Center | The Complete Physics (youtube.com)
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May I respectfully ask you how many towers fell in 9/11?
This is the first question I ask whenever I get in a discussion about it. The 100% answer until today was: „Two. Why?“
This is the wrong answer.
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I just googled it, and it said there was a third tower, called “Tower 7”, which burned up a few hours later. I had not known about that. Layers of mystery!
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Wow — you didn’t know about Tower 7; you had to Oogle it? And you’re a smart guy! It was no small building, either — 47 storeys tall, IIRC. I can still flash back to the night of Sept. 11, watching coverage of the events in my (future) mother-in-law’s living room, and hearing that that tower was about to collapse. (Source of the infamous “pull” quote that figures in so many Truther narratives.) So I’ve long remembered.
I don’t write this to be snarky. It’s amazing how even a well-informed person such as yourself is unaware of something like that. There is SO much information out there, with SO many things going on, for decades, that it’s hard to keep track of it all. Unless it’s a specialist area of interest for us, our worldview is shaped by the messages the mass media put in front of us. Caitlin Johnstone (an Aussie — oi! oi! oi!) goes on about Empire Narrative Management on her blog all the time. YOU know all sorts of things about the war in Ukraine that average Schmoes don’t, because you get deep into it. But a disinterested viewer in the US is mainly going to know what the media feedia them.
This is another way that “Am I The Anomaly Here?” applies to me. I geek out on all sorts of noozy stuff. If I could ever find anyone interested in talking about such things, I could hold a half-hour chat about the Tatmadaw in Myanmar, or Pashinyan vs. Aliyev re: Nagorno-Karabakh. It doesn’t seem hard — to me. I enjoy reading about current events from all sorts of sources. As a permanently unemployed bludger, I have lots of free time for that. But I did the same (just not quite as much) when I had a job, even when I was married. The X was the same way, which is why we were so well-matched. My brain is like a glue-filled sponge, because I remember almost everything. I don’t consider myself to be super-smart; just someone with a good memory, who sees how things connect across the years.
When I talk to people, I’m always rattling off facts about whatever we’re on about. Not in an “I’m smarter than you” fashion; just like “yeah, here’s some info abut that.” I generally feel like I know everything that’s happening. Except in sports!
As for the Towers, I’m not a Troofer. I AM puzzled about WTC #7, but I haven’t cared enough about it to go down the rabbit hole. Sadly, the X did, as part of her “staring too long at the abyss” phase. Toward the end of the time we were together, she was dead-on convinced about “nanothemite” and all that inside job stuff. I tried to counter her once or twice, but that just added friction to the relationship, so I learned to keep my mouth shut.
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I am not a “Troofer” either, at least when it comes to the physics of the towers (well, at least the 2 main ones) collapsing under their own weight without needing additional “inside-job” blasts and stuff.
And frankly, that particular terror attack, although it quite shocked and distressed me at the time, did not obsess me. Once I had absorbed that news, I just checked it off in my brain as: “CIA trained bin Laden to fight against the Soviets, maybe he did this, maybe he didn’t, maybe he just went rogue, or maybe somebody this as a false flag. Golem turning against his master? Excuse to invade Iraq? Maybe, maybe, maybe…” and then accepting the fact that I don’t know, and will never know the actual “Troof”.
In other words, I fit the event into my own schematic political blueprints in my brain, which flow along the lines of “CIA does most of this crap, the rest is maybe rogue actors… or for reasons we will never know….”
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This questions ALWAYS works. The power of their propaganda and of the “conspiracy” theory is unbelievable.
WTC 7 did not burn up, it collapsed as a result of a controlled demolition.
We know already today, and it is only a question of time it will be a part of historiography.
It works, because people down WANT to know. It simply is “unspeakable”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11RwCm_OaGc
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Well, maybe after the other 2 towers collapsed like a house of cards, the authorities decided they needed to clear up the rest of the space? To get the bulldozers in? I dunno…
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A cautionary tale for your benefit. In the wake of the 911 attack in the US, our Federal government approved and implemented the Patriot Act, which enabled unfettered spying on all citizens in the name of preventing future acts of terrorism. It created a Star Chamber secret court system, allowed and facilitated warrantless searches by an enlarged police state, and expanded punitive political persecutions under the guise of anti-terror law enforcement. The end result is that today there are hundreds of citizens held in prison unjustly because of a false flag operation perpetrated by the FBI and HSA on Jan 6th 2021. Biden and his ilk are now giving Stalin a run for his money when it comes mega oppression of innocents. This is the real danger you must avoid going forward. Do not follow this path.
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Thanks for the warning, Tom. Along those lines, I have a post coming up tomorrow about certain people involved in the 911 blowback, and how it relates to the Crocus affair.
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Great! Let’s all dive down a rabbithole — there to meet the Mad Hatter and Off With Their Heads Queen. Plus Trump tossing toilet paper rolls to Puerto Ricans and telling them: that hurricane wasn’t so bad really. What a waste of time and energy speculating out of one’s left ear. I’d just as soon wait for the story the FSB uncovers about Crocus.
As soon as everyone starts running around in circles connecting “dots” they think they see, the ghosts of the Dulles boys start demonically cackling.
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“wardrobe” == “cloakroom” in Canadian English.
The CBC is confidently explaining why “ISIS-K” carried out the terrorist attack. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-isis-k-background-1.7153581.
Sounds reasonable to me. I wonder if I should buy that bridge?
I think the CDC may have forgotten that the US exported ISIS jihadists from Syria to Afghanistan.
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Cloakroom in US English, too. Maybe MSM TV is actually not confident of the ISIS-K narrative, and that’s why they’re expending so much energy pushing it.
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Cloakroom! yes, of course. I have heard that word before, I just couldn’t retrieve it when I needed it. All American and Canadian theater-goers wear cloaks, of course. Just like the Phantom of the Opera!
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“As the Russians have supported Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, “they have been attacking ISIS in Syria,” Andrew Rasiulis of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute told CBC News on Friday.” (in the piece that John Kane linked).
But… but… CNN and MSNBC told us that it was the Americans who were fighting against ISIS, and that was the reason why America had to stay in Syria and Iraq, even after being asked very politely to LEAVE!!!
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Anytime civilians are attacked is cause for grief. When the US State Department has foreknowledge of such an act and then releases detailed information immediately after the act is carried out, I grieve…that my country is ruled so firmly by the unelected/unrepresentative/unrepentant sociopathic souls that comprise the National-Security-State-[3LAs].
As for the details of this state-sponsored-terrorism, I don’t know what to think at this point. While the plan seems simple, the way the bread crumbs are so carefully arranged to make Russia and those considering working with Russia “look-bad” makes it appear as if some very professional murderers were organizing the “event”. The fact that a “ready-made” government narrative was instantly and uniformly read out by newsreaders should give everybody pause.
At MOA I read this comment:
“Rules-based terrorism is all they have left” reportedly, this comment came from Kim.com
On that note, sometimes MOA can give a reader whiplash, reportedly, Jake Sullivan, US National Security Adviser has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices..and provoking retaliation. Yes, as pointed out here the other day, all non-Russian energy supplies in Europe are within easy reach of Russian retaliation…sometimes the opps guys, the “big-thinkers” at the 3LAs should pull out a map before “devising” a plan..eh?
https://tile.loc.gov/image-services/iiif/service:pnp:highsm:14700:14762/full/pct:100/0/default.jpg
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I see WP altered the jpg protocol again…I remember a time when software folks did some useful things back in the late 80’s and early 90’s…boy those were the days.
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Yup. Youtube links don’t render any more either, in the comment section. They went back to the “block-based” comment section which they tried before, and nobody liked it! Wait a couple of days, hopefully they will go back to the text protocol, which everybody likes better.
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Regarding the “rule-based terrorism” protocol, one theory why Sullivan said what he did, is that maybe Russia warned him they WILL strike European energy supplies, if the Ukies don’t cut it out with the drone attacks on Russian oil refineries.
There is also a theory that the Crocus attack was Tricky Vicky’s parting “Fuck you” to people like Sullivan and Blinken, who passed her over for promotion. They had to scramble and go with the silly ISIS theory (“We’ll make it work!”), because it was the only thing she left for them. Well, that’s the theory, at least.
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You have two fair theories in this post, the first of which is observable in action over the past day or so: the strikes disabling Ukraine’s underground gas storage. Which, apparently, their European partners were using to store gas as well, since their own systems were not sufficient.
And now that gas is inaccessible… but apparently only because it was hit by drones, not the ground-penetrating missiles that would really ruin the store.
Assuming this is true, that the Europs stored their gas in Ukraine (because it was 4x the size of Germany’s storage), it again calls into question their intelligence. And, it shows Russian marching up the escalation ladder in ways that will in fact get attention from the “right” people.
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A desk where you give your coat and hat to an attendant, who hangs them up somewhere and gives you a ticket with a number on it, is called a “coat check” in the US. It’s where you check (as in “check in”) your coat. A “cloakroom” is literally a room where coats are hung, not where you hand your coat over to an attendant.
It’s unfortunate that the suspects in the terrorist attack were tortured. These men are just dupes, not masterminds. They were hired online. I suspect they would be happy to share what little they know for a sandwich and a cup of coffee. Or just the threat of life imprisonment. Any testimony extracted under torture is unreliable and will just muddy the investigation.
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Mira, thanks for the clarification about the coat check versus the cloakroom.
I totally agree with you about the torture, it’s actually appalling that the Russian cops not only tortured these guys, but even posted the videos of the beatings. In one video I was unfortunate enough to see (I didn’t know what was coming), the camera even tilts down to show that the prisoner wet himself, presumably from fear. It’s disgusting, actually.
This smacks too much of the “snuff” vids produced by the Israeli IDF, showing their mistreatment and humiliation of Palestinian men, for the sadistic amusement of Israeli public. Difference being, of course, that most of the Palestinian men whom they pick on didn’t actually do anything. Versus these Tadjik terrorists who are most likely guilty, but even so, it’s not civilized and probably counter-productive. I think some of it is just for vengeance, and that is not supposed to be the Russian way. (Ideally.)
It’s also just bad police work, in my view. Cops would probably get better info from them if they just talked to them. Frankly I am surprised that the Russian Prosecutor’s Office is permitting this sort of behavior on the part of the police.
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It is hard for me to believe that you have so poorly looked into the 9/11 false flag that you still believe the official conspiracy theory and never heard of the WTC7 collapse 2 decades later. While the unconventional construction of the two towers prevented a conventional demolition the WTC fell into its own footprint and did so mostly at gravity collapse free fall time. Even FEMA says the jet fuel (basically kerosene) burned off in 10 minutes. So what happened was an office fire which has never before or after caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse whereas 3 supposedly did on 9/11. It was designed by a very competent Japanese architect who used Japanese steel (at that time some of best in the world), One of the highest rated structural construction firms in the world did the structural planning. The inner core was stronger than the construction used in the Empire State building. The outer core was designed to survive the impact a large commercial airliner and the winds from a hurricane stronger than Katrina. When interviewed by a Pakistani journalist with whom he had a relationship, Osama said his group did not do 9/11. I could and have written a book about all of the anomalies of the official conspiracy theory. What small Middle Eastern apartheid country now committing genocide gained the most from 9/11?
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Well, Jim, let us, in Putin’s words, separate cutlets from flies. Two things can be possible at the same time: (1) that various shady outside sources (including that unnamed Middle Eastern country) could have been behind the attack and paying the attackers; which is what I believe too (along with the CIA, that goes without saying); and (2) the attack caused even more damage than originally anticipated, much to the delight of those who organized it, due to certain physical properties of the buildings?
In other words, you can believe that the terror attack was organized and paid for by the usual suspects without having to sign on to the other “Troofer” components of the theories.
Frankly, I don’t even care whether the buildings collapsed or were blown up. That doesn’t even matter. All that matters is who dunnit. About which, I probably even agree with you, even though you are being a bit cagey in your comment.
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Agree wholly with you about torture. It is easy to understand but not condone the treatment of those captured gunmen who I have read who agreed to it for about $5ooo each.
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I’m glad we agree on that. I don’t like to see Russians descending to the baboon-level of the Israeli hoi polloi.
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