Ukraine War Day #768: The Propriety Of Public Grieving

When she saw Pyrrhus make malicious sport in mincing with his sword her husband’s limbs, the instant burst of clamour that she made— Unless things mortal move them not at all— Would have made milch the burning eyes of heaven, And passion in the gods.” (Shakespeare, Hamlet)

Dear Readers:

“What’s Hecuba to him, or he to Hecuba, That he should weep for her?”

As all nations do, after a major tragedy or even a natural disaster (such as an earthquake or flood), Russia is going through a process of grieving for the victims of the Crocus terrorist attack. As with individuals who lose a loved one or suffer a trauma, the grieving process at a national level helps the society get through the ordeal and is psychologically necessary for the hope of eventual recovery.

In the case of highly politicized tragedies, such as terror attacks, there is likely to be some blowback from that part of the citizenry who may feel “bullied” into publicly expressing emotions that they do not feel; for example, the mandatory “minute of silence” before a concert, etc. I personally experienced this when I attended a symphony concert in my town, this was just after the October 7 Hamas attack, and the Music Director came out onto the stage to give a little speech before the start of the concert. And inside myself, I was, like, oh please, no, just shut up and play Vivaldi. It wasn’t like I felt nothing for any innocent Israeli citizens, especially children, who may have been harmed, of course I don’t want to see ordinary people hurt; it’s just that it was clear exactly whose side the organizers of this concert were on.

And so, in a weird kind of way, I can sort of relate to those Russians who feel bullied to grieve, even though, in this case, I am on the opposite side of the fence from them. In this article you are going to read about people who feel irritated by the pressure of Russian public opinion, irritated that they should weep and gnash their teeth for random people they neither know nor care about, in a highly politicized and emotion-charged atmosphere. When, in essence, they actually support those who did this. I mean, they support their goals, if not necessarily their methods. (Although sometimes the methods as well, because these people are fascists, after all!)

The Wall Of Grief

As part of the grieving process, the newspaper KP keeps this running wall of victims, with their names and photographs, when photos are available. Scrolling through the photos shows a bunch of ordinary people who were killed randomly by the terrorists, on the orders of Ukrainian and Western secret services.

Random victims, among dozens

This display of “politically correct” public mourning obviously irritates those who support the other side, namely Ukraine, namely the terrorists. For example, pro-Ukrainian Russian cultural figures such as the singers Alla Pugachova and Andrei Makarevich have no intention of bringing flowers to the site, or lighting a candle, or even making a public statement to the effect that they condemn mass shootings. Their reasons for curbing their emotions are more than obvious. And yet they are too cowardly to just come out and say it.

Scolding One’s Enemies

I saw this piece, in which the omnipresent Maria Zakharova called these pop singers to account for their hypocrisy. Apparently, both Pugachova and Makarevich had been asked to make statements about the Crocus attack; and both declined, using the same duplicitous formulation: That it is better to mourn in silence. Or maybe cackle in silence.

Mourning in silence, like praying in the dark, might be a valid response for certain people, but not them! As Zakharova aptly pointed out. It is perfectly obvious to the Russian people that both of these cultural icons (along with many others) not only support Ukraine in this war; but also support the methods used by Ukraine, including the deliberate slaughter of random civilians.

In her Telegram channel, Zakharova described how these particular people, once so beloved of the Soviet and Russian public; who used to be considered “ours, our native artists” so shamefully disclosed themselves as enemies: “They are not our friends, but our enemies, just so.” They were completely silent for a week after the attack. When asked to speak out, they replied that it was better to mourn in silence. Pugachova declared that “Grief must be in the heart, not in Instagram.” Whereas Makarevich insisted that “public display of grief” was “a very vulgar occupation”.

Moscow, Russia – 15 March 2014: Andrey Makarevich on the peace March, the March of Russian opposition against war with Ukraine

In reply, Zakharova reminded people that both of these individuals have, in the past, spoken out, and even sung songs at mass public concerts, about those deaths and tragedies which moved them. For example, Makarevich was quite vocal about the Hamas October 7 attack against Israel. He did not “mourn silently” for the Israeli victims. In other words, it’s all about whose ox is being gored at any particular time. And about correct, and incorrect, victims.

Because they support Ukraine, characters such as these simply don’t want to hear about the victims of Ukrainian atrocities. Any mention of the victims only evokes irritation within their black, traitorous hearts. And thus Zakharova calls them out for their hypocrisy and duplicity: “I would like to call this hypocrisy, but it’s actually something worse than that. Something closer to betrayal. I can’t believe that millions of people used to believe in them!”

yalensis: Among the commentariat to this article, I find myself nodding in agreement with a certain “Alexander Rosenbaum” who points out that the emotion of “disillusionment” requires a prior “illusionment”. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Maria was speaking as someone who used to like these pop singers, perhaps even idolized them in her youth. If so, then this has been a painful disillusionment for her, like learning that an old friend is a worthless creep. Whereas Alexander admits that he never liked these characters in the first place, and so does not feel any disillusionment. “May they end their lives ingloriously,” he concludes.

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28 Responses to Ukraine War Day #768: The Propriety Of Public Grieving

  1. mato48 says:

    I’ve seen the pictures of destroyed forests, with burned tree stumps pointing to heaven, indicting the perpetrators on both sides. Nearly half a million Ukrainians have died, and about hundred thousand Russians.  “Only hundred thousand” one may be inclined to say, but a death toll of this magnitude would be an unimaginable cataclysm, an indescribable tragedy for every nation on this planet.

    Now, as spring has arrived, a few of the burned tree stumps doggedly try to grow new leaves. They try to survive as all living beings do, but he prospects are slim. Fierce fighting has ruined the land, millions of exploding ordnance has contaminated air, water, and soil.

    Millions of our fellow animals have been slaughtered, countless species have been extinguished. The eco systems are destroyed and nature maybe will never recover from this cataclysm.

    And yet, as the die is cast and the political, ecological, and social moves on the global chessboard cannot be undone, many of us applaud Russia and hope, that US hegemony and the neocolonial exploitation of the “Global South” by the “collective West” finally come to an end. We may try to ignore the high cost of this geopolitical struggle but we will face the nagging question: “would there have been a better way, could war have been avoided?” till the end of our lives.

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  2. Beluga says:

    Did any of those who died or were injured at Crocus deserve their fate at the hands of paid killers? Of course not.

    The least any citizen can do is to remember the lost souls in a national minute of mourning. No matter one’s particular political stripes, these people were countrymen. Simple as that.

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  3. S Brennan says:

    I understand Maria Zakharova’s political anger; back in the day, with Viet Nam a raging inferno, the privileged protesters of the [nearly] well to do, whose primary concern about the war stemmed from their deferment loss or, getting a low lotto number, were in the habit of displaying North-Viet Nam flags/paraphernalia alongside Mao/Soviet symbols. Even though the US involvement was very wrong, [ and entirely avoidable as, Ho Chi Minh very much wanted to be a US ally* in the post WW-II world], wearing symbols of any foreign/[or domestic] agency that is killing your fellow citizen/soldiers, however misdirected, is also VERY WRONG!

    On another level I understand Maria Zakharova’s personalized anger. Currently, I am reading a biography of a man I admired through the years for what I perceived as wisdom; only to find that man was completely taken in by Princeton’s snobbery, promotion of Eugenics, anti-democratic ethos and promotion of the idea that only the upper most class should have access to knowledge; it is, deeply disappointing. I have had to put the book down many a time, still I masochistically persist. What’s the old saying, “you can’t be wise if you have never been made a fool of”…or something like that.

    And so it goes…

    *Pentagon Papers revealed that Ho Chi Minh, a WW II ally, wanted to sent up a republic based on the US constitution, with US support. The OSS officers with whom he negotiated were favorably impressed and supported his proposition, however, those Princeton trained white shoes lawyers that dominated in DC and represented trans-nationalist [in today’s vernacular, globalists], told Ho to go shove his nationalist dreams where the sun didn’t shine. And 1-3 million deaths later, Ho gave his reply to the Princeton trained Princes of the Potomac. Heck of a job Truman, Westmoreland, Dulles-Bros, Henry Cabot Lodge**, LBJ et al, you effed-up your country, the USA in an effort to support transnational financial interests…you betrayed your fellow citizens for thirty pieces of silver.

    **[who’s father helped Woodrow set up the scenario for WW II]

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    • S Brennan says:

      Unlike pro-mass-migration-neocolonicons-globalists/[Hillary/Cheney/Obama/Romney/Biden/Graham]-Team, Russia seems to have a very reasonable criteria for work-permits/limited-migration which is basically; know the Russian language, understand/observe Russian customs, respect Russian Culture, don’t bring your extended network of family/friends and when the work permit ends…go home. Pretty straightforward if you ask me, until 1965 the US had approximately the same rules.

      https://russiasnews.com/migrants-from-far-abroad-will-not-be-able-to-replace-workers-from-cis-countries/

      That said, just the other day I was being spoken of as an ape-like creature, with a knuckle-dragging gait because of my support of a Trump/Tulsi-Gabbard ticket over the Biden/Kamala-[Hillary/Cheney/Obama] ticket on offer. So…I might be considered too deplorable an untermenschen to be taken seriously on the issue of globalist elites using US-taxpayer-funding to engender mass migration into the US to destroy wages/job-security/social-cohesion & security. It must require some pretty intense mental gymnastics to publicly state in writing that Russian citizenry is entitled to domestic wage/job/security & social-cohesion but, the US citizenry is not…yes..no?

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      • yalensis says:

        But didn’t Tulsi sell out eventually? I mean, she is very pro-Israel, for starters. As is Trump.

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        • S Brennan says:

          1] Uhm no…Tulsi did not sell out…she was not even allowed in most of the debates…she’s anything but a sell out…why do you think so? You do recall Hillary labeling her a Russian spy while she was still a Democrat…right?

          To me, the “pro-Israel” argument, is like noting that Tulsi walks on two legs and is known to breath air? The most virulent pro-Israel people are the current administration…haven’t you noticed that? Sadly, everybody running is “pro-Israel”, why call out only Tulsi?

          Back to Sell-Outs? Don’t get me started…they are still in congress:
          ———————–
          What happened to the Squad?

          https://chicagoreader.com/columns-opinion/what-happened-to-the-squad/

          “…Just a few years ago, Democratic voters elected a group of progressives who promised to go to Washington, D.C., and start a political revolution. Led by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) of New York, the “Squad” promised to take on the corporate wing of the Democratic Party and fight for programs that benefit working people over the donor class. First on their list was M4A.

          It is sad to report that in just a few short years, the Squad has collapsed into a puddle of excuses and Twitter twats. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has demanded all hands on deck to protect the party’s donors in this unique time of crisis. And the Squad has fallen in line.

          As I wrote in a previous column, because of the Democrats’ slim majority in the House, just a handful of progressives had the power to demand a vote on M4A, if they chose to exercise that power on behalf of working people. AOC and her colleagues did not force a vote on M4A. Instead, they stood with Pelosi and the donors in keeping the bill off the floor of the House….”

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  4. JJD says:

    the privileged protesters of the [nearly] well to do, whose primary concern about the war stemmed from their deferment loss or, getting a low lotto number, were in the habit of displaying North-Viet Nam flags/paraphernalia alongside Mao/Soviet symbols.

    With respect, S. Brennan, a great many of those protestors were working class young people. When you are 18 years old and, contrary to what you were taught in high school civics, the government turns out to be a murdering and lying entity and is requiring you to register for the draft, what do you do exactly? We understood that Mao, the Soviets, and Ho Chi Minh were not the enemy. The bastards who were killing both the Vietnamese and the American soldiers were the corrupt politicians in DC. What could we, teenagers, do against them? For many of us, marching in the streets chanting cute slogans didn’t seem all that useful. Lampooning the powers that be with Mao-themed pranks and Viet Cong flags was one outlet. Hard-nosed anti-draft and anti-recruitment action was better but got us tangled up with courts, lawyers, and jails. Thank God that some found a way to get organized (as the Weather Underground) and blow things up — that scared the sh#t out of DC, at least. If there was going to be a war, it needed to be fought on US soil against the bastards who wanted war. And that is still true today.

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    • yalensis says:

      Also, Ho Chi Minh was not conducting terrorist attacks inside the U.S. against ordinary Americans. So, it’s not quite the same thing, and I personally don’t see anything wrong with Americans openly supporting the Viet Cong against their own government.

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    • S Brennan says:

      Well JD I speak from first hand knowledge…where you alive back then…were you on the street doing one on one conversations? Or, is your information 2nd hand? Or worse, did you get your history from a social studies course at university taught by a pseudo intellectual professor with a degree in “Bourgeoisie Marxism”…the kinda prof who would never consider walking his talk if he had the chance? How many blue collar people do you know who can afford to take a few years off to hang out at hip war protests…particularly back then. 

      No, those that I personally met at the protests were narcissistic-nililists who then went on to become the self-absorbed and despised yuppies then on to aging hipsters….sheesh

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      • JJD says:

        I was alive back then, and I was in the middle of it. A lot of my family members served in the US military in WW II in Europe and in the Pacific, as well as in Korea. My great uncle, a career Army guy, told me that the Vietnam war was garbage and I should do everything to stay out of it and out of the US military. On my 18th birthday I refused to sign my draft registration papers. I participated in a Quaker “silent vigil” and a big anti-war march and saw that those were useless feel-good activities — virtue signalling, as we say today. With some friends I got arrested for obstructing Army and Marine recruiters. At our trial we presented evidence of our university’s collusion in training and arming the South Vietnamese secret police and organizing concentration camps. Thrown in jail along with our lawyer Conrad Lynn without bail, we went on hunger strike until bail was set five days later. My housemates and I were visited by the state chairman of the US Communist party, and we scared him away by convincing him that we were violent Maoists. We were under surveillance by the FBI, and I was even interviewed by them. At that time, my parents (in another state) were also under surveillance. The FBI finally came to their door and tried to scare my mother, saying that I had vanished. A WAC sergeant during WWII, she cussed them out to their faces and told them to f##k off. And so on. You, S. Brennan, have a right to your opinions, but I suspect that the reason you met so many narcissist posers at the protests was that you never got beyond socializing with the hip and with it crowd at the protests. Back then everybody had to figure out what to do for themselves. Best regards.

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        • S Brennan says:

          So you were at university but, you represented yourself as a typical working class? Anyway, I am talking facts, not as you say, “opinions”

          “When President Lyndon Baines Johnson escalated the Vietnam War in 1965….local draft boards nationwide curtailed the granting of student deferment in order to induct more men to the military. In 1965 to 1968, many college students saw themselves being reclassified. In 1966, when General Hershey reissued the dormant Selective Services Qualifying Test (SSQT) for registrants who wanted to keep their student deferments, angry students began disruptive, war-related protests. On October 26, 1967, Hershey sent his “Hershey’s Directives” to local and appeal boards nationwide, changing draft laws”

          https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33797340/BAILEY-DOCUMENT-2016.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

          That’s what sparked the protests. But one part is as you say, well behaved, well dressed religious groups were the only protesters visible early on. From early 1964 to late 1966 the only protestors I saw were religious people whom, the police treated with great deference.

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  5. australianlady9 says:

    Really, there is too much E-Mo-Shun on public display, and this has taken us to the parlous state that now exists in the west. 

    In the pursuit of power, feelings are weaponised and manipulated. They are the staple of the P.R. industry and this has contributed significantly to the abysmal quality of western politics. Everything has been “feminised” as if this is the antidote to the big bad “patriarchy”- a false dichotomy which has privileged feelings over thinking. Mainstream media is an obvious example. ( If it’s not an emotional story, then it’s “All you need to know”).

    Yalensis, this is an interesting post for us admittedly emotionally charged readers. Lots of things to consider, and one gets the impression that Russia is “feeling her way” through this period of grief. And how to publically express this.

    But as the lights (phones, fridges, trains etc,etc,) go out in Ukraine, we move on. If you want emotional stimulation, read John Helmer’s latest thought provoking piece, and see what collectivised logical thinking can achieve. This is war.

    https://johnhelmer.net/

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    • S Brennan says:

      Dear Lady from Australia,

      In regard to John Helmer’s piece, this should have been done long ago, the war must be fought from west to east and by whatever means that brings the war to an early, successful and final conclusion…ASAP.

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    • yalensis says:

      Thanks for the Helmer link, it’s also a good reminder how Western security agencies also weaponize opinion polls!

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  6. Bukko Boomeranger says:

    I like the Russian imagery of a single candle flame as a memorial symbol. Is that something new with this incident, or has it been around as a Russian icon for a long time? The yellow ribbon imagery in the U.S. during the Iranian hostage saga in 1979-80 got on my nerves eventually. In part because it was wussy, in my opinion, due to me being sick of hearing the treacly Tony Orlando and Dawn single it was based on. A flame is warm (important for Russia!), it’s moving (not just tied to an old oak tree) and it’s a light against the darkness of terror.

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    • australianlady9 says:

      Bucco, the Ukrainians are going to need a lot of candles. For the candlelight.

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      • Bukko Boomeranger says:

        Well, they have six figures worth of combat martyrs to candle-ise, sadly…

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        • yalensis says:

          I remember a few months back reading reports that Ukrainians were running out of space in the cemeteries for all their dead soldiers. Then I read something about mass protests among the Ukrainians, and I started to get hopeful, until it was clarified that the people were protesting, not to end the war, but to build more cemeteries.

          It made me think of lemmings marching under the slogan: ”We need more cliffs!”

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          • S Brennan says:

            Clearly I’m having an influence on you Y,

            Your use of sardonic metaphoric rhetoric is becoming…how shall I say…hmmm…almost Gaelic in tone.

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    • yalensis says:

      Not sure if this candle thing has been around in specifically Russian iconography. I mean, everybody anywhere in the world would know immediately what it is trying to say. It doesn’t look like the type of candle they light in Orthodox churches, those candles are tall and thin.

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      • Алсу Я. says:

        Возможно из-за машинного перевода, я неправильно понимаю вопрос, но свеча в отношении погибших используется как знак памяти и скорби. По аналогии с вечным огнем, зажигаемым у памятников героев ВОВ.

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  7. australianlady9 says:

    Dear S. Brennan

    I know what you mean. This war is hardgoing even for interested bystanders like us. 

    But the Russians have set the pace of this war, which is the prerogative of the stronger side. They are very methodical . They exhibit extraordinary patience. They understand the imperative of being prepared. They consider the evolving geopolitics. 

    After Ukraine? I think we know, or maybe have the feeling that La Guerre n’est pas Fini.

    Thanks for the Steely Dan.

    Regards, A.L.

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    • S Brennan says:

      A L,

      With all respect, not a big fan of wars of attrition. Westmoreland [#1 West Point Grad] tried that in Viet Nam…time being a factor in war, the NVA always had time to adapt. Truth be told, JFK murder by 3LAs in order to unleash the Viet Nam War was the very thing that brought FDRism, [and yes it had it’s faults], to an end.

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