Ukraine War Day #587: “Sorry aboot the nazi…”

O Fortuna!
Velut luna,
Statu variabilis,
Semper crescis
Aut decrescis.
Vita detestabilis
Nunc obdurat
Et tunc curat.
Ludo mentis aciem:
Egestatem,
Potestatem,
Dissolvit ut glaciem.
Sors immanis
Et inanis,
Rota tu volubilis.

[O Fortune!
Changeable like the moon,
Ever waxing
Or waning.
Hateful Life
Can be hard sometimes,
And then soothing.
A line laid down from a gamble of the mind:
First Poverty,
Then Power,
But all melting like ice.
Immanent Fate,
You are mindless,
You are like a rolling wheel.]

(Carmina Burana)

Dear Readers:

Even as Hunka-Gate recedes back into Orwell’s Memory-Hole, and everybody climbs back into their usual grooves… I thought I would do one more piece on it, just as a farewell offering.

Orff’s medieval Wheel of Fortune

Offering some random flotsam and jetsam which I gleaned here and there.

Rota tu volubilis

Some people might feel sorry for Canadian Parliament Speaker Anthony Rota, and how he got tossed under the Wheels of the Carmina bus. But you should feel even sorrier for Yaroslav Hunka himself. Hunka is almost the epitome of the turning of the wheel: From powerful soldier to poweless prisoner of war, then back to powerful and influential member of the Canadian community. But his Luna wanes, at least for now, as the press reports his fund has been shut down and everybody started treating him like a leper. Somehow, in the course of his life, Hunka and his family became very wealthy, able to contribute lots of $$$ to various charitable causes such as Ukrainian Nazi veterans groups, and even University faculties. But now nobody wants to be seen taking his filthy lucre. Russia’s Ambassador to Ottawa, Oleg Stepanov, took credit for shutting down the fund. The University of Alberta even decided to give the money back. I never thought I’d live to see the day…

He Won’t Show His Face

Previously, in the course of this story, we became acquainted with a Hunka family friend, a woman named Barb Barrill Bonenfant. Which, if I recall my French, means “Goodchild”.

Barb is the one who tweeted: “He is so delighted to be there. Most kind of Anthony Rota to do this.” I.e., allow “Dedo” Hunka to meet privately with Trudeau and Zelensky in the reception hall.

A few days later, Barb was eagerly sought after, by Canadian press, for her reaction. This is what she had to say to CBC: “They are afraid to show their faces.” Barb confirmed that the entire Hunka family had gone into hiding. And this after decades of being fairly upfront about their political views and affiliations. It is my understanding that American Nazis were always more discrete than their Canadian counterparts, they used to warn their children: “Never ask Grandpa about the war!” But Canadians were more like, “Please ask Grandpa about the war, he loves to reminisce aboot those good old days…”

Himmler: “Ach! This looks like some good Hunka fresh meat!”

Nazi Has A Canada Problem

Okay, now we have this youtube piece from the Liberal, pro-Ukrainian website “Democracy Now!”

This podcast features Lev Golinkin, a Liberal journalist (anti-Putin) who nonetheless makes a lot of good points: Lev knows Ukrainian propaganda memes inside and out, and all their “cheap rhetorical tricks”, as he calls them. He also knows the history, for example, one of the reasons why the Canadians wanted to import Nazis into the country, was to use them as anti-union goons and strike-breakers. These Nazis were the type of men who were needed to help crush the waxing mass trade union movement, as soldiers returned to the work force after the war.

Golinkin is worth listening to, even though he drops an egregious blooper when he wrongfully ascribes to Putin some quote about “All Ukrainians being Nazis.” Commenters to the piece rightfully take him to task for that. Golinkin represents the “good, Liberal, woke Jew” who still clings to his belief that Zelensky is a worthy fellow; but that religious belief starting to fray around the edges.

Banderites vs Melnikites

This other podcast is from a more obscure site and has many fewer comments, but offers a good in-depth analysis of Ukrainian Nationalist history and politics. From the guest, historian Richard Sanders I learned a lot about the different factions of Ukrainian Nationalists, for example Banderites vs Melnikites, their mutual relations, and their separate relations with Nazi Germany. Good background info:

You Don’t Get To Talk About Babi Yar

And last, but not least, as King Lear once said, when hoisting up the cold dead corpse of his favorite daughter:

We have these strong statements by the one and only Maria Zakharova, who refutes the duplicitous opinions of Antony Blinken. Blinken is still busy trying to rewrite history. If he can get American dopes to believe that Russia dropped the nukes on Japan, then maybe he can also get them to believe that Russians killed the Jews at Babi Yar. Step #1 in this shell game is to accuse the Soviets of being indifferent and trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Which is what they would do, if they actually did this.

Zakharova responds: “Antony Blinken permitted himself to lie about one of the most horrifying tragedies of the Second World War: Namely the execution of the peaceful population of Kiev on 29-30 September 1941 in the tract at Babi Yar. The Nazis, having occupied the territory of the city, proceeded to commit these purges. Just in those 2 days, 29-30 September, the German fascists, in the most bestial fashion, destroyed 34,000 people.”

Babi Yar: images from a documentary film made in 2021.

Zakharova refuted Blinken’s lie about the Soviets trying to sweep this crime under the rug: “No other nation in the world so consistently as the Soviet Union, accused the National Socialists of the crimes of the Holocaust.”

Zakharova reminded people that in March of 1945 the Soviet of Peoples Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR, along with the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party, adopted the resolution (#378) to construct a monument and park at Babi Yar, at the place where the Nazi occupiers had mass-buried their victims. The park was opened on July 2, 1976, in Kiev.

According to Zakharova, Babi Yar, along with other atrocities such as Khatyn, Treblinka and Auschwitz, are still open wounds for the Soviet and Russian peoples: “Where did Blinken get the gall to write that we allegedly don’t even remember our own tragedies!” she fumes. And then couldn’t resist pointing out how “the most influential Jew in the world” [does she mean Zelensky or Blinken?] did not condemn the presence of a literal Nazi in the Canadian Parliament.

And then lets it go at him with both barrels:

“But what can we expect from the Secretary of State of the United States of America, who continues to finance the Nazi regime in Kiev, which glorifies the collaborationists Bandera and Shukhevych? What can we expect from the Secretary of State of the United States of America, who gave the order to vote against a Resolution in the General Assembly of the UN, to condemn Neo-Nazism, racism and xenophobia?”

Zakharova ended her rant on a melancholy note, pointing out that Blinken’s step-father Samuel Pisar was a Holocaust survivor himself, who had passed through a series of Nazi concentration camps. And who, to the end of his life, expressed his gratitude to the USSR and to the Soviet soldier, for their role in defeating Nazism. “It would be interesting to hear what he would have had to say about the lies of his step-son,” Zakharova wondered.

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45 Responses to Ukraine War Day #587: “Sorry aboot the nazi…”

  1. Blinky couldn’t give a damn what his dead stepfather thought. To people like Blinky, the past is just a mutable tool to chisel as necessary to make narratives in the present.

    BTW, India has ordered Canada to remove 20 diplomats by 10 October. I would like to know why Canada has so many diplomats in India anyway.

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  2. peter moritz says:

    About aboot: having lived in Canada for 35 years, I never heard anybody west of Newfoundland pronouncing it thataway. And I cannot remember to ever heard the Newfie refugees to BC and Alberta pronounce it thataway either.

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    • JC says:

      Having lived in Canada for five years, I’ve heard it pronounced as such a couple times. Not strongly, as some parodies might, but it was there. This was from Ontario natives, so that might make a difference.

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      • yalensis says:

        I have heard some Canadians, and it is distinctive how they pronounce this particular phoneme. I agree that “aboot” is an exaggeration. It’s somewhere between a Midwest American broad “about” and the parodied “aboot”!

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      • Bukko Boomeranger says:

        I only lived in Vancouver for four years, but I’d have to concur with you and Moritz about the lack of “aboots” and other stereotalkical (sic) Canadianisms on the West Coast. And I was listening for things like that. Nobody called anyone “hoser” either. I guess that was only a schtick from Bob and Doug McKenzie (comedy duo that parodied the Great White North) with songs like “The 12 Beers of Christmas.”

        FWIW, the one time I went to Newfoundland, fewer than half the people I talked to sounded Newfie, including many who had been born there.

        As an aside, has anyone amongst Yalensis’s commentariat watched “Letterkenny”? (Comedy series on a streaming TV service, set in a rural Ontario town.) Now THERE you’ll hear some Canajun accents! Along with Quebecois, First Nations and Mennonite ones. I had to play the shows with closed captions on because the accents were so thick, the slang terms were so obscure and the wordplay came on so fast.

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  3. JC says:

    Maria is following the only correct way to counter narcissistic sociopaths: call them out on their bullshit–publicly, forcefully and immediately. Do it often. Tell others exactly what the manipulators are doing. Cite evidence. Fill yourself with righteous fire.

    When this isn’t done, because it’s frankly a lot of exhausting work, limits your career advancement and is not at all “nice”, you get evil crawling over the walls like kudzu and swarming through every crack and cranny of your civilization. Until you don’t have one.

    The alternative is, eventually, the Phinehas son of Eleazar Solution. And then you’re a party-pooper, too.

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    • S Brennan says:

      Agree entirely but, as you point out, not the easiest row to hoe…reminds me of a lyric from “Kings of Convenience”:

      How come no-one told me
      All throughout history
      The loneliest people
      Were the ones who always spoke the truth
      The ones who made a difference…

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    • yalensis says:

      I had to google Phinehas son of Eleazar:

      “Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, is so incensed at the sight of an Israelite consorting with a Midianite woman that he kills them both, thus ending a plague that has broken out and earning God’s special favour.”

      God is, like, Yeah, kill them bitches. Because you would never want your son to marry one of those filthy Midianites! (Wait, that’s racist…)

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      • JC says:

        More accurate to say “don’t want your son to marry one of those demon-worshiping, baby-roasting, orgy-loving people I told you all to not mingle with.” Because, if you marry someone, you marry their history and (sub-)culture.

        Carrying that into the current conversation, if you had a son growing of age, what would you tell them regarding courting Ukrainian ladies? How about Ukrainian ladies with SS grandfathers? How would you expect such a joining to affect their functional world-view and actions? How would it affect the peace of your extended family?

        These are perhaps rhetorical questions but for some of us are closer to a serious pondering. What does the future look like when Ukraine is inevitably discarded by NATO and neo-naughty diaspora 2.0 is made permanent?

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        • yalensis says:

          Well, I suspect that the Midianites probably got a bum rap from Biblical propagandists, I doubt if they actually roasted their babies, any more than German soldiers of WWI speared Belgian babies on their bayonets. War propaganda, in other words.

          That said, I get your point about marrying into the wrong cult. And for sure, there are some worries about the current Ukr diaspora and the values that they will bring as they scatter throughout the world and start bearing the next generation.

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  4. S Brennan says:

    I like Maria Zakharova.

    I wish our elitist institutions could produce someone of her stature but, they can’t. When you teach children, from day one, that they must be obsequious to power/wealth, no matter how rancid it’s application, you inculture a population with a natural weakness, their own thoughts, on the rare occasion they have them are colored by the desire of personal advancement.

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    • S Brennan says:

      BTW Y, I can’t use “return” to make paragraph breaks on the native text editor?

      Not my keyboard because my Thuderbird app works fine?

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      • MrDomingo says:

        Try holding SHIFT key down while using ENTER key. In apps such as Word, Return is end of paragraph, while Shift-Enter is a soft line break.

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        • S Brennan says:

          test
          Nope…I am in the habit of using shift/enter to get a single line drop in Tbird but, to be sure I tried both ways here and it was NG. Regardless, thanks for the help

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      • Bukko Boomeranger says:

        I had the same issue with no paragraph breaks, Brennan.

        I tried Domingo’s tactic but no good. Of all the ways that WordPress has been dicking with comments recently, that’s a weird thing to screw up.

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    • yalensis says:

      Thanks! I shall make time to read these…

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      • yalensis says:

        P.S. – so, explains Rota’s ethnic background, I had wondered about that. Turns out, he is Italian. And was in very tight with the Hunka family.

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        • ccdrakesannetnejp says:

          Good sleuthing. Where did you find that info about the close connection with the Hunka family? I’d like to check it out. This connection proves that the appearance of Hitler fanboy Hunka in Parliament was intentional and part of an attempt by Liberal Party leadership to fraternize and ingratiate themselves with OUN fanboy Zelensky, and it implies the responsibility of Trudeau and Freeland.

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  5. Jean Meslier says:

    If you’re right re: Overton window (and I think you mostly are,
    even if I’m a bit skeptical about the decades long plant – I tend to ascribe it to sheer political opportunism combined with a clear shift to the right of all Western societies since the fall of the USSR), this is a spectacular setback, which is really heartwarming to watch. A very cute case of Schadenfreude

    There is an inherent (and difficultly surmountable) conundrum inside the mainstream narrative. For years, we’ve been fed the idea of the “good Jew” (opposite, of course, to the bad Arab), very like we’ve been fed the idea of the “good Ukrainian” (or Tatar, Georgian, Afghan, Pole, Czech, Hungarian, insert any people used to wage war against Russia…) vs the “bad Russian”, so much so that nearly no Hollywood movie dares to feature a jewish villain (Magneto excepted, but even then, his jewishness is not overemphasized), much to the chagrin of intelligent jewish movie fans ( https://www.heyalma.com/the-case-for-more-jewish-villains/ ). Of course, from Ivan Drago to Ivan Korshunov to Viggo Tarasov, there are uncountable Russian villains.

    The problem is very simple : the “good Jew” is completely antithetical to the “good nazi”, even for the “bad Russian”‘s sake, and for now, the “good Jew” wins (which, in this case, is good).

    Funny how propaganda sometimes contains the seeds of its own destruction.

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    • yalensis says:

      Ha! that is a rather clever comment about the self-contradictions of propaganda, especially when it is woke stereotypes colliding with each other.

      Re. Jewish villains, I never really thought about it before, but you’re right. Jewish characters are almost always depicted as good and wise people, Shakespeare’s Shylock would have no place in modern filmography.

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  6. The Thick Red Duke says:

    Very off topic but since it’s been discussed here before. Details of what happened to the Luna-25 lander have just been released and machine translated. (The Russian text can be found in the link.)

    Basically what happened (as I understand it) is that two onboard sensors simultaneously sent signals to the lander’s CPU/”brain”. Since the CPU may receive huge amounts of measurements each second it has to ignore many of them while it processes the most important ones. Something was wrong with the code that prioritizes which measurements to process. And the signal that told the CPU to turn off the engine was lost in the stream. The lander consequently crashed at full speed into the lunar ground.

    (It’s like when your loved one talks and talks and you suddenly realize you should have said no instead of yes. Then all hell breaks loose.)

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    • yalensis says:

      “Something was wrong with the code…”
      in other words, a programmer fucked up.
      Ooops! (glad it wasn’t me)

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      • S Brennan says:

        Y,

        in my experience, programmers willing to 1] accept blame, 2] correct themselves 3] tell management they won’t sign-off on problematic crap..they are rarely are at fault in big engineering disasters. Normally, it’s the person who blames others, is unwilling to own the needed correction, tells management everything they want to hear…they have all the time in the world to play office-politics…they become management, they create disasters wherever they go [see 737-Max-disaster].
        BTW, have the 737-Max folks responsible for those deaths ever been named…blamed or, did they just fall upwards?

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        • yalensis says:

          Hopefully a root-cause analysis will get to the bottom of it. As a programmer myself, I have committed quite a few bloopers in my day; a lot of it has to do with working on a small team without the luxury of a peer-reviewer. But even on teams that do regular code-reviews and peer reviews, seems like the same amount of mistakes get committed. And it’s usually a rookie error, like copy/pasting some code for starters, and then forgetting to change one little thing. Which is exactly what I did just the other day, but fortunately it wasn’t a serious issue, the skewed result was noticed by an eagle-eyed end-user, just needed a quick fix (that took 2 seconds) and republish the code. No humans or animals were harmed.
          And by the way, I am very honest, I always let my team and boss know whenever I do something like that, they are very kind and forgiving people. And they make mistakes too, so they understand. But it’s not on the level of, say, crashing a billion-dollar robot on the moon, eek!

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        • The Thick Red Duke says:

          I doubt this is a simple bug. Writing the event/signal handler for all the sensors on lunar lander was probably the responsibility of the really top notch programmers, maybe even those considered the very best.

          This kind of software typically requires extensive testing so as to handle every possible combination of events that can arise. Every hardware sensor must first be simulated by software so that you can “artificially” throw whatever you want at the “brain”. Then you have to test it with the actual hardware. But that hardware cannot reproduce the conditions they will encounter in space so you just have to cross your fingers and hope the simulation tests covered everything the hardware can be up to.

          My guess is that since it’s a long time since Russia made a similar lunar lander they’ve rewritten everything from scratch. And well, it just takes time to get it right even for the best. But for the next lunar lander the code should be reusable. As the article said, don’t fire the programmers!

          Btw, you can buy flight controllers/autopilot boards for drones that conceptually work the same way. And unless you have special needs you stick to the old ones. They’ve been tested over many years, even decades.

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  7. Bukko Boomeranger says:

    Lastly, what I really meant to say, Y. Two things:

    One, thanks for the Democracy Now clip. I listened to it, in part for the “meta” value of seeing WHAT Amy Goodman would allow to be said that was negative about the pure-as-the-driven-snow democracy of Ukraine /snark/ DN has disappointed me because it went from being anti- Amerikan wars to “THIS war is OK for America to support because we’re helping kill people for peace.” So she was willing to throw some shade on the favoured regime, but only in the context of how there USED to be Nazis there. Only they all moved to Canada, I suppose. Perhaps this bit will be the first crack in the propagandarmour that show has been putting out there.

    Secondly, I see you spell the massacre site as “Babi” Yar. I noticed something weird on the pro-Uke site I scan, and some other _elensky-worshipping places — now the BC (Banderically Correct) side has gotten some memo that it must be spelt “Babyn” Yar. I never saw that before in any history book about the Holocaust. Always Babi. But it seems a new de rigeur way of showing what side you’re on with your spelling. Like Kyiiiiiiiv instead of Kiev. I’ve seen commentary on the pro-Uke side that was apologetic when they linked to something that had it spelled the old way: “We’re so sorry we have offended you readers’ eyes with this barbaric spelling, but that’s how it was in the image on the Tweet we featured.”

    I wonder how common this has been in the past — displaying tribal loyalty by the way you spell things. There’s the Bakhmut/Artymovsk thing too. How many others like that, and does it only apply to the Ukraine War, or was that going on in ex-Yugoslavia and elsewhere but I was not conscious of it?

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    • yalensis says:

      Yuk, if there is anything in the world I despise the most, it’s PMSP (=Politically Motivated Spelling Police). Yeah, I started seeing that Babyn Yar thing too, I don’t really have an issue with it, it’s the Ukrainian spelling of the possessive, I guess. I would use both interchangeably, if they didn’t politicize it. But if Ukrainian fascists say I HAVE to spell it a certain way, well, then of course I will do the opposite, just out of spite!

      Vastly more important than the spelling issue (as Shakespeare once said, “Does it really matter if I spell it rose or roze? Either way it still pricks my finger and is full of bees…”) is the fact that the Ukrainian fascists renamed a street near Babi Yar for one of their fascist heroes, but I can’t remember now if it was Shukhevych of someone else. It was a real piss in the eye to the Jewish community. And they did it on purpose, just to piss on them.

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  8. ccdrakesannetnejp says:

    Yalensis, thanks for the clip from “Hypocrisy Now!” Now that the Ukies have failed militarily and the NYT and DC elite are mildly criticizing Zelensky, Goodman seems willing to entertain a few indirect references to Nazism in Ukraine history, though not in Ukraine today. I think the wheels came off Goodman’s mind because she fell intellectually in love with Hillary Clinton, and she now resents Russia since she believes the BS about the evil Russkies’ interfering in the 2016 election, thus destroying her dream of seeing a woman become president. Btw, I was wondering about the wishy-washy Lev. I call him Levitator Lev, since he always floats above the nitty gritty, avoids shocking details about Banderites and neonazis in Kiev, and professes to believe in Ukrainian democracy. Your explanation about Lev makes sense. Please let Aaron Mate at the Gray Zone know about Lev’s real ****-lib identity. Aaron seems to take Lev too seriously as someone who has “authentic” insight because he’s a “real” Ukrainian.

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    • yalensis says:

      “Hypocrisy Now!” – chuckle, that’s a good one! I admit I have never watched much of that and knew little to nothing about Amy Goodman. But your explanation totally makes sense that she fell in love with Hillary, and desperately wanted to see a woman Prez in her lifetime. I really don’t get the identity politics. I mean, I personally wanted to see a black Prez, but I DEFINITELY didn’t want it to be Obama, I wanted somebody more lefty. Maybe Cornell West, I dunno… And I wouldn’t mind seeing a woman Prez, but, again, it should be a lefty and at the minimum not a murdering pig.

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