Ukraine War Day #579: Zelensky Greets Nazi, Canadian MP’s Clap Like Seals

Dear Readers:

After his less-than-glorious visit to the USA, Ukrainian President Zelensky covered himself in somewhat more glory in the Canadian round of his tour. News reports show that Canadian Parliamentarians dressed up in their very finest and clapped like seals while a slovenly Zelensky stood among them, soaking up the adoration.

In this story by reporter Anton Nikitin, we also see that Zelensky did not let slip by an opportunity to greet a veteran of World War II. One of the photos that was released to the press showed Zelensky standing in the Canadian Parliament on Friday, alongside Justin Trudeau, as the two men throw kisses and fist-bumps to a 98-year-old veteran named Yaroslav Hunka. The caption notes that Hunka served in the First Ukrainian Division of Waffen SS Division “Galicia” (also known sometimes as “Galichina”) before later fleeing emigrating to Canada.

This particular Division was organized by the German Nazis in 1943, recruiting residents of Western Ukraine. In July of 1944 the Division mostly went out of business, having lost so many of its soldiers in the battles near Brody. But then was reconstituted and used in battles in Slovakia, Yugoslavia, and Austria. In April of 1945, this Division was removed from the composition of the SS, renamed the First Ukrainian Division, and was incorporated into the Ukrainian National Army. In May of 1945, these Ukrainian Nationalists were fortunate to be able to surrender to forces from Great Britain and the U.S. Who whisked them out of danger and cared for them like newborn kittens.

Canadian MP’s greet the 98-year-old Nazi with thunderous applause.

If you click on this link, you will see the video, how the Canadian mainstream press (CBC) interprets these historical events:

“Zelensky’s speech received at least a dozen standing ovations. There was also one for this man, a 98-year-old Ukrainian Canadian who fought for Ukrainian independence against the Russians during the Second War World.”

Rolling It Back

I wrote most of above post yesterday (Sunday), in the full belief that Overton’s Window has finally opened all the way. The only thing that remains is to erect a statue of Hitler on Ottawa’s main square. With the inscription: “He fought for German independence against Russia during the Second World War“.

But then, skimming the press this morning (Monday), including some pieces from Westie press, seems like some of this was too much, too soon, even for them. Seems like there has been a bit of a backlash.

We’ll start with this piece from The Grauniad, wherein Anthony Rota (Speaker of Canadian Parliament) was forced (I am sure, against his will) to apologize for Hunka’s appearance in the hallowed hall:

“In my remarks following the address of the president of Ukraine, I recognised an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” Rota said in a statement. He added that his fellow parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognise Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district. “I particularly want to extend my deepest apologies to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world. I accept full responsibility for my action,” Rota said.

Uh huh, sure, whatever you say, Rota. Call me a cynic, but I think everybody knew exactly what you were doing: Trying to crack open that Overton Window and see if everybody would calmly accept the new parameters of history. Wherein the Nazis were the good guys, and the Russians the baddies during WWII. Seeing that the public wasn’t quite ready for this, then you had to backpedal, like a fly doing the backstroke in a bowl of soup!

Hunka with fellow murderous Nazis in the Waffen SS Ukrainian Division

The main reason for the backstroke being that there are still a few Jews out there in the world who still carry the Torch. And they still have a tiny bit of clout. At least enough clout to make Rota turns cartwheels, and Trudeau quickly try to paper over his own ass, while tossing Rota under the wheels of the bus. [some little puns there, ’cause, see, Rota is the Latin word for “wheel”, oh, never mind…] Trudeau claiming now that neither he, nor the Ukrainian delegation, nor the Prime Minister’s office, had any knowledge whatsoever, that Rota had invited a Nazi to the party. It was all just Rota’s blunder.

For example, here is the piece from the Jewish Forward, the reporter is Lev Golinkin.

If you look at the above photo of Rota and his comrades, you see a group of well-fed and very content-looking men. It’s a wonderful life when you love your job. Indeed, many years later, in his blog, Hunka was to describe the years 1941-1943 as “the happiest years of his life”. I am sure they were. Nothing makes a sadist happier than an untrammeled license to burn unarmed people alive:

Formed in 1943, SS Galichina was composed of recruits from the Galicia region in western Ukraine. The unit was armed and trained by the Nazis and commanded by German officers. In 1944, the division was visited by SS head Heinrich Himmler, who spoke of the soldiers’ willingness to slaughter Poles.”  Three months earlier, SS Galichina subunits perpetrated what is known as the Huta Pieniacka massacre, burning 500 to 1,000 Polish villagers alive. 

After they lost the war to the Soviets, these criminals fled like rats. With a lot of help from Western governments and security organizations. While top-ranking Nazis generally fled through rat-lines to South America, the lesser-ranking thugs mostly ended up in Canada. Initially there were only about 2000 of these Nazis in Canada, according to Golinkin. That wouldn’t be a problem, by now they would mostly be dead, except for those few like Hunka who possess longevity genes. But that’s not the issue. The issue is that these Nazis spawned and begat at least 3 or 4 generations of little Banderas since those times. Little Banderas who grew up to become big and influential Banderas, like Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland. These Banderas are literally all over the place, and seem to have unlimited influence on the politics of both Canada and the U.S. They have the power to start major wars, and to kill people all over the world, all part of their historic quest for vengeance.

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46 Responses to Ukraine War Day #579: Zelensky Greets Nazi, Canadian MP’s Clap Like Seals

  1. peter moritz says:

    As I said before: another country circling the plughole…

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  2. peter moritz says:

    Canada is aside from Russia the country with the largest Ukrainian diaspora. Many of those settled in Alberta, because of the availability of farmland and the growing conditions. The first wave from before WW2 is quite different, and I have encountered many of their offspring during my residence in Canada, from the wave after WW2. The latter I have no personal knowledge of.
    During my life in NE BC I encountered and worked with as many persons of Ukrainian descent than those of anglo extraction. And of course, there is Edmonchuck.

    “In 1985, a commission of inquiry was called by Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, headed by the justice Jules Deschênes. The inquiry was set up in the wake of the publication of None Is Too Many, a landmark historical examination of Canada’s antisemitic immigration policies. These policies, still in effect even after World War II, prevented European Jews from immigrating to Canada (partly due to misguided concerns that Jews would bring communism to Canada). Canadian authorities simultaneously allowed known or suspected Nazi collaborators to immigrate because they could be considered “reliably anti-Communist.”

    But that inquiry was a whitewash, the goal of Mulroney to satisfy Jewish demands without hurting the Ukronazi community
    Read the full article here:
    https://jacobin.com/2022/11/roman-shukhevych-monument-canada-nazi-ukrainian-ultranationalism

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    • yalensis says:

      Nice analysis. Anti-Communism is the key to everything, that’s why they let Nazis in and kept Jews out. (Pre-1948 Jews were different from the current generation, as they were considered to be trending to Socialism/Communism, and therefore undesirable.)

      Having said that, I am aware that there is a post-WWII Jewish diaspora community in Canada, that’s about all I know, I don’t know how numerous they are, or where they live.
      From what I understand, the Canadian government expects of its immigrants to leave their feuds behind in the home country. (Which is a reasonable demand, on the whole. Except that there is no parity here between the Nazis, on the one hand, who were killers; vs the Jewish refugees who didn’t kill anyone, they were the victims and were just trying to escape.)

      In any case, there was an attempt to paper over whatever the conflict between the Ukrainian and Jewish diasporas, and even pretend that they are natural friends. From what I understand, the Canadian Jewish community (their official “leaders”) are rather timid and even cowardly individuals, so they go along with this and pretend like they are pals with the Bandera diaspora. I might write some more about this tomorrow, as I have an interesting source document that I came across.

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  3. He’s throwing himself on his sword saying he alone was responsible for inviting the nazi, that neither he nor anyone else knew that the nazi was a nazi, and even more ridiculously  apologising to only Jews for inviting the nazi. Not to Poles, not to Romani, not to Ukrainian civilians also massacred by the Waffen SS 1st Galician, just to Jews. What a nazi circus.

    I’ve a Trudeau Special to draw tomorrow. I’ve been busy with my current story arc which is, shall I say, kind of time consuming, on top of which my cast has been replaced for two more weeks. Or I would have done it today.

    Here’s the latest:

    The Last Days Of Ukranazistan CII

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    • S Brennan says:

      FNT you make an excellent point about Nazis and their murdering ways, they killed ~ 12-14 million civilians in death camps and through summery executions, this count excludes “collateral damage” deaths of civilians. Of those millions 6 million is given as the Jewish death toll although, that number has been reduced 15-25% in recent years, no matter the exact number, a horrible toll but, what of the others? What of the other 8-9 million, why are they not given a voice?

      And speaking of state enforced silence, why are the Israeli Jews, those few who object to supporting a Nazi state in preference to the nation that saved Jews from the maws of the 3rd Reich’s killing machine, being silenced by the Israeli state? And to American Jews, why is “Never Again” a racially segregated battle cry? Must the non-Jews slaughtered by the Nazis drink from a separate water fountain of justice?

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    • yalensis says:

      Totally agree. Rota is left out to dry as the official patsy. Speaking of Poles, I was reading that they are furious too. That murderer in the gallery probably killed more Poles than he even did Jews.

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  4. My girlfriend asked how they’d blame this on Russia. The answer? They’ll call it “malinformation.”

    As in, information that is true but “serves malicious purposes”. Yes,  it is true that Liedeau honoured a genuine nazi war criminal in the Canazidastani parliament, but it’s Russia’s fault that people are getting to hear about it. 

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    • yalensis says:

      She’s right about that. I saw some comments of that nature under the various blogs. An even stupider theory promoted by some pro-Ukr commenters: It was the Russians who inserted this guy into the gallery and saw to it that he would get the standing ove, in order to embarrass Zelensky.
      So ridiculous… these Bandera Nazis do their torchlight processions through Kiev, it’s just totally normal there, and everybody accepts it as normal and treats these old killers like heroes.
      Frankly, I was surprised that it even became a scandal. Like I wrote in my post, I just assumed that Overton’s window had opened all the way!
      (I’m glad I was wrong about that, shows that not everybody’s brain has melted, at least not yet.)

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    • peter moritz says:

      A more ingenious excuse was forwarded, that the Parliamentarians thought they honoured a member of the “Ukrainian Resistance” against the Red Army occupation.
      It is of course true that the CIA after WW2 instigated and supported resistance against the legal Ukrainian government as part of the USSR. The resistance was sourced from Banderites (OUN) ands UPA members.

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  5. John Kane says:

    I’m sorry to be negative about this but I believe the Speaker’s story.

     The government, at least in theory, has no power or authority over who is invited into the house. It is strictly a prerogative of members. Members of parliament tend to guard their prerogatives to the point that they have their own Security Services so that the RCMP are not inside the buildings. Presumably Hunka was on the Speaker’s guest list. In fact that’s what he said in his abject apology.

    If someone started to apply pressure to the Speaker to get him to invite Hunka I think he would very rapidly have smelled a rat and probably set his people on onto checking just who this guy was.  Not even a Member of Parliament is stupid enough to introduce a Nazi in the House. 

    Rota, the Speaker, may very well have been set up but I don’t see the government doing it, with the possible exception of Chrystia Freeland acting in her private capacity. I suspect it was something simple like one of his constituents, probably related to Hunka wanted to give Grandpa a treat, appeal to their MP who said oh yeah sure happy to do so. From the Speaker’s comments I get the feeling that his knowledge of World War II stops probably at Saving Private Ryan.  A serious question is did whoever put up Hunka as a guest actually expected him to be singled out? It could have been a spur of the moment did a theatrical crap thought up by the Speaker.

    I don’t see the government doing this is because of exactly what happened. Honouring a a Nazi Waffen SS Soldier in the House of Commons is only going to infuriate both Veterans and Jewish organisations and just give a general disgust a lot of Canadian population. The Speaker’s proud introduction of Hunka is just going to raise consciousness in Canada that, gee,  maybe the Ukrainian government does have a Nazi problem.

    Come to think of it, there are probably an awful lot of pissed-off Canadian Forces people right at the moment. They remember that the 12th Waffen SS massacred about 156 Canadian soldiers in Normandy. They are probably not impressed it someone was praising a Waffen SS member in the House of Commons.

    I think you were insulting trained seals. By the time it got around to Hunka the people on the floor would have given a standing ovation to a passing seagull. Actually this reminded me a bit of watching the US Presidential State of the Union Address where the audience seems to be on springs.

    Oh, Chrystia Freeland is not yet Prime Minister. You seem to have dropped a word.

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    • yalensis says:

      Ah! Darling Chrystia is Deputy Prime Minister, apologies for that error.
      Speaking of apologies, you don’t need to apologize for having a different opinion. It’s interesting to hear your reasoning, and perhaps you are right.
      Maybe it happened this way: Rota received an email from one of the murderer’s relatives pleading, “Gramps really wants to meet Zelensky! Gramps is a Ukrainian patriot who fought against the Russians for Ukrainian independence!” And Rota thought to himself, “Oh, how cool is that?”

      I reckon that theory could work, but it presupposes that Rota is a complete imbecile who knows nothing of history.
      Now, Chrystia, on the other hand… This is a lady who attended Bandera summer camps in her youth, she knows exactly who is who. Was she aware of the invitation? I would bet money that she did, and she probably even thought this was going to be a triumphal moment that vindicated all of the Old Guard, including her own Nazi grandpa.

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      • John Kane says:

        If it was a local affair, I think I may very well be correct but after reading comments and talking with a friend I am beginning to think that the Speaker and subsequently the PM and the Gov’t have been brilliantly set up.

        Not by Freeland, she has noting to gain here and she is more than smart enough to realize presenting Hunka in the House is going to drive a lot of Canadian crazy.

        Who does gain? The Russian Federation.

        What have we get so far? A Gov’t in desperate panic mode. I received responses to my e-mails yesterday to the Speaker and my local MP today and I’m a complete unknown.

        What this may well do is start a lot of Canadians actually looking into the details of what is happening in the Ukraine. Up to now pretty well everyone has following the official line but wait a minute, a real life Nazi SS soldier in the House with Zelensky? What?

        In further news of the day I got on a city bus with the first Ukrainian soldier I have seen in town. Bizarrely he was wearing what looked like a desert uniform that would look great in Saudi Arabia—I’ve been there. His shoulder patch was in Cyrillic but too blurry to even try to read it with my almost non-existant Russia. The only bit of colour was the Ukrainian flag.

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        • Aule Valar says:

          The other reading is that they misread public sentiment and accepted Overton window. After all, the reactions to previous exposes of pro-Galichina sentiments were pretty mild.

          To me it appears like actions of people who genuinely think that Commies were worse than Nazis and that UPA and Banderites were the freedom fighters and good guys.

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    • peter moritz says:

      You seem to imply that there are no Nazi tendencies in Canada. If that is so, I would suggest you visit certain areas, especially in Alberta, that might change your opinions. The Freeland lying bitch case is also a case in point.

      The Ukro Nazi element (and the less vocal and powerful, but existing German Nazi one, which is however vanishing fast, as the offspring have little interest of following their progenitors footsteps), considering that it is fresher after the emigration to Canada after WW2, is much more vocal and having more political influence than the pre WW2 emigrants from Ukraine.
      And then there is this, with regards to the CAF: https://globalnews.ca/news/8446253/white-supremacists-canada-military-active-threat/

      Canada is not the shining example that its population think it is. It is as bad or good regarding racism and white supremacists as any other country within NATO. Just listen to or read comments regarding Natives, Inuit, Asians etc.

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  6. raccoonburbleca says:

    Yes, everyone should read the article linked by Moritz.

    Then go look at a snip from one of my favourite movies, Inglourious Basterds. I think the makers had a pretty good idea for what should have been done after the war about anyone who had aligned to Naziism in any way.

    No excuses. No “we were just defending ourselves” nonsense. 

    I think the same principle could be applied to descendants of Nazis who have never renounced their criminal ancestors and act actively support Nazi agendas today.

    They should never be allowed to hide.

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  7. Beluga says:

    MPs also clapped like trained seals for Billy I’m a Liar Browder and his Magnitsky Act. Just like all Western countries that passed it to dun Russia.. Bullshit cubed. Then our MPs followed that with unanimously agreeing to recognize goods made on illegally occupied by Israel Palestinian lands as Israeli. Canada is thus full of the wretched SodaStream carbonation systems — a one day Christmas-present toy never used again, like most fruit and veggie juicers. MPs unanimously passed the CIFTA Act :

    https://amnesty.ca/blog/israel-palestine-settlement-goods/

    And the country is riddled with various Israeli/Jewish associations eager to pounce on any dissension about Israeli policy, and even has Israeli Army enrolment centres. It is illegal to recruit soldiers for foreign governments in Canada, but wink, wink Israel is OK somehow.

    So we also have a complete dork of an ex-government minister, one Irwin Cotler, who specializes in dissing Palestine. This from only a couple of days ago:

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2023/09/canadas-envoy-to-defend-apartheid-gets-israel-medal/

    Compared to the Ukies, Israel has got Canada sewn up tighter than a new football.

    Who brayed in mock anguish about that 98 year-old Galician Banderite being invited by the dumbshit Speaker of the House of Commons to meet Zelensky in Parliament? The Jewish lobby, of course.

    Canadian Ukies in the backwoods of northwestern Alberta are so dumb that when Banderista Freeland visited her birthplace about six months ago, they got on her case at the Grande Prairie airport and gave her a hard time. They hate Liberals/Trudeau so much, they are not bright enough to figure out Freeland is one of them. And also, where did a lot of the dumbfuck truckers fo the convoy come from? Guess.

    Foreigners have zero clue about the internal politics of Canada — we have white supremacist nazis coming out of our ears just about everywhere — and the complete BS I continue to read about Trudeau and the truckers, mostly by dimwit Americans who think Trudeau is a nazi for invoking the Emergencies Act after three weeks of trying not to, show how easily it is for people to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. You know, based on their prejudices and absolutely nothing more. Fed by “independent” journalists with their own agendas. About the only thing Trudeau has done right ever, in my view. Otherwise, he’s atrocious. Freeland was so uncomfortable freezing a few trucker’s bank accounts of her “friends”, it was obvious to those in the know just watching her on TV. Trudeau isn’t in the know, he’s that isolated. Five days was how long the bank account freeze lasted, just long enough to get those arsehole truckers out of Ottawa. Gilet jaunes, my foot. The exact opposite, more like. They just appropriated the name, and damn fine PR it was. Fooled foreigners, much in the same way as herr hilter called his party national socialists — as if.

    My brother then had to deal with the truckers in his Calgary neighbourhood a week later, massing in his local park literally across the street for a march, after the long drive back from Ottawa, but that’s too long a story to recite here. The locals got the police to disperse the idiots. Brother was amazed they responded, as police are right wing as hell, but the Ottawa mess of only a week before seemed to galvanize them a bit.

    There’s wheels within wheels in Canada, and Moritz is correct to say the country is circling the plughole. We have white supremacist neo-nazis practising satanic rituals everywhere because they hate the indigenous peoples and any non-whites. Where did the Proud Boys start? In Canada, before moving on to the US and big money.

    The complete mess is why I have refused to vote federally since 2019. None of the federal parties are any good. At all. Worse than useless. Run by special interests, big business, American “direction”, the Jewish lobby, and full of surly Ukie rural greaseballs. The Zionists took over the federal Green Party and the reaction of existing members, all of the original eco-friendly type not like the crappo German Greens, was to leave en masse. The party no longer really exists.

    I’m in my late seventies, so I may well go before the country does, but certifiable lunatics are on the rise to power all over. The provincial government of Albeta is now run by such a nutcase, and I mean nutcase, while Ontario is run by an admitted liar and crook.

    Yup, it’s bad, but most people haven’t cottoned on to how bad. Yet. That’ll slowly dawn on people when the Conservatives get in federally, and prove that yes, Martha, there are people even worse than Trudeau’s Liberals. Sure, they pretend to be for the little guy to get elected, as Cons always do — then when they get in power do the opposite of what they said they’ll do. Works like a charm every time on a trusting population with zero memory.

    I could weep at what might have been a decent country but which has been ruined by greed and outposts of idiots dotting the landscape these past five decades. often enclaves of foreigners who are nominally Canadian but try to influence politics ‘back home”. Being good Canadians is the last thing on their minds. Yeah, I could weep. But what’s the point? Too late now.

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    • yalensis says:

      But are the Canadians Jews in the Israel/Zionist lobby the same group as the ones who complained about the Galician Nazi? I would be surprised if they were all the same thing. From what I understand, it was the Simon Wiesenthal Jewish lobby that complained about Rota; and they are not quite the same thing as the Zionist lobby. Although I am sure there might be some overlap. But isn’t it a generational thing? Like, younger Israeli Jews/Zionists are fully onboard with the Ukrainian Bandera thing and “Slava Ukraini” their lungs out; but some people in the older generation still carry the torch…

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      • Beluga says:

        I’ll wait for your next post to see whether it makes any sense about young Jews in Canada being pro-Banderite. That’s one theory I’ve never heard about before.

        Yves Engler has documented for years about the way Jewish groups in Canada have got public officials roped into never criticizing Israel. The same thing has occurred in the UK — they got Jeremy Corbyn out as leader of the Labour party claimimg he was anti-Semitic. Nasty business all around. Did you read the link about the medal Israel gave Cotler? If not, you’re underinformed even on that small part of the scene.

        I’m sorry if my remarks don’t jive with your pre-made up opinion of what’s going on here in Canada, but you wouldn’t be the first American to not have the first clue about my country. I live here, you don’t, and have no idea of the nuances. So bring on this new source of info — I’ll look at it and see if it holds any merit.

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        • yalensis says:

          Beluga, you don’t need to be so pugnacious. You are always putting me down, and I don’t like that.
          Anyhow, I wasn’t talking about young Jews in Canada, more about young Jews in Israel. Who are mostly part of the Russian diaspora.
          My Canadian story was more about attempts to reconcile diaspora communities of Jews and Nazis by pretending they are all on the same side.
          But I won’t get to that today, I decided to continue with Hunka-Gate.

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  8. Delboy says:

    It is reported the Nazi’s grand daughter posted on Facebook that Rota had arranged the visit to Parliament, and it appears Trudeau and Zelensky had a face to face meeting with the scumbag.
    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/82752

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    • The whole purpose of this exercise – which was of course fully planned in advance and deliberate- was to further normalise nazism. Unfortunately for them they moved a teeny bit too fast and too far.

      This time.

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      • yalensis says:

        Yes! That’s exactly it. When this thing first broke (before the delayed backlash), everybody assumed that this was the final normalizing and legitimizing of Nazism. I was reading some blogs yesterday afternoon, sorry, I can’t remember which one (might have been moa but I don’t remember, I was skimming through a lot of shit looking for blog material), one commenter said something like, “I am a Canadian, and I hail from that same district. I would write a letter of complaint to my MP, except that I am scared the security services might come after me, or the tax people might start auditing me.”

        See, everybody thought the same thing: This is it. Big Brother says we have to love Nazis now, it’s a done deal. (Overton’s Window open all the way.) You can’t even disagree, or you will be punished.

        And then, a few hours later, the backlash began. Turns out, they went too far. (This time.) Too fast and too far, just like you said. Or, as the Wicked Witch says in Oz, “These things must be done very slowly and very delicately, or you will break the spell!”

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        • John Kane says:

          I am a Canadian, and I hail from that same district. I would write a letter of complaint to my MP, except that I am scared the security services might come after me

          No knocks on the door yet and both the Speaker and my MP have returned my email.

          I think the writer from Nipissing-Timiskaming may be exaggerating. Besides that riding is 15,313 sq. km. It could take a security team years to find them.

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          • yalensis says:

            My point was that the original poster was reacting to the raw event, before the backlash started; and thinking, this was the new normal now, and anybody who dissented from honoring Nazi veterans, might be targeted by the government. Maybe have their bank accounts frozen, or whatever.

            Fortunately, that turned out not to be the case, but, living in the U.S., I can certainly relate to that kind of paranoia.

            I’m glad you spoke out, and that your Speaker and MP returned your email. I have been reading the Canadian blogs all afternoon. Seems like this is a real shocker for the Canadian public. Personally, I am shocked that anybody is shocked! Along with many others, I have been saying for years that Canada nurtures Bandera Nazis, until I was blue in the face; and eventually became convinced that this was the law of the land, accepted by all. Do they not see the statues erected to Bandera?

            I would still say, though, how is it that Canadians never realized that their political leader Chrystia Freeland is a Nazi? I mean, just how stupid are people over there? As dumb as average Americans? Even dumber, maybe? And how is that even possible?
            🙂

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            • John Kane says:

              Personally, I am shocked that anybody is shocked!

              Well, you may have to move here for a few years and see. Don’t forget your parka and snow shoes. 🙂

              I guess the main reason is that old cliché that while the USA is supposed to be a melting pot. Canada is a cultural mosaic.

              Everyone in Canada is expected to conform to basic Canadian cultural norms but after that we don’t really care about and may not be all that interested in another group’s customs.

              Canadians of Ukrainian descent have in Canada since before WWI as have those of Russian descent plus for example the Mennonites who left Novorussia back in the 1870’s when the military conscription laws changed in Russia.

              So, Ukrainian-Canadians (U-C) who were maintaining bits of their heritage are a part of the landscape. We go to school with them, we work with them, party with them, etc. If they have slightly different cultural activities, so does my family which is mainly Irish or my friends who are Jewish or El Salvadoran. Probably anyone outside the Ukrainian diaspora would be aware that the per-WWI and post-WWII waves of immigrants might be slightly different: Anyone else? Not likely.

              When I was in grad school, I was in a fairly Portuguese part of town. Once a year a candlelit procession would slowly walk down my street. So Saint’s day, I suppose. Things like that happen.

              U-C are just like everybody else. Ray Hnatyshyn, a well-known politician went on to become Governor-General of Canada.

              The Banderites don’t, as far as I know, hold torch-lit processions in downtown Edmonton. If they stick up a monument to Bandera , nobody knows who he is so we accept the statement he was some kind of national hero.
              There is just no reason for Banderites to stand out from anyone else in Canada. They may in the Ukraine but not here. Beluga makes the point perfectly, “Canadian Ukies in the backwoods of northwestern Alberta are so dumb that when Banderista Freeland visited her birthplace about six months ago, they got on her case at the Grande Prairie airport and gave her a hard time”.It’s not that they are so dumb, there is just almost nothing she does in Canada to even hint that she is one. I doubt she even wears red and black scarves.

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              • yalensis says:

                Thanks, John. I guess all of that makes sense. My impression of fleeing Nazis was that they were told to keep their heads down in their new homelands, and not stand out. Like, being deep undercover, and raising their families to keep all the dark family secrets, etc.
                I can sort of relate to that, because in my family, when I was growing up, we also had to keep a family secret; in this case it concerned an ancestor who had been repressed (=executed) by Stalin, and was never actually rehabilitated.

                In any case, regarding the Ukrainian Banderas, they must have kept their heads now for many decades and kept their family secrets. But then the day came, and they thought they could finally raise their heads out of their burrows and show their true faces. Unfortunately for them, it seems to have backfired.

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              • ccdrakesannetnejp says:

                There is a now-famous picture of Freeland wearing a red and black scarf as she marches at the head of a pro Kiev regime march last year. It caused a big scandal at the time time, so you should be able to find the photo online. She also jumped on a plane immediately when Poroshenko was arrested for treason and managed to get him freed. She is an active booster of the whole war effort in Ukraine.

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              • yalensis says:

                Yup. Chrystia’s dear “Dedo” was Misha Chomiak, an egregious Nazi. As even the Canadian press admitted, back in 2017.

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        • Beluga says:

          Complete load of cobblers, FNT.and yalensis. Preplanned? Rubbish — they simply aren’t that smart or forward thinking. The speaker of the House has privileges — he doesn’t have to check with the boy wonders in the Prime Minister’s office who he invites to the Parliamentary gallery.

          Last thing I expect to read here is horseshite conspiracy theories from foreigners. And I include some of the outlandish remarks you made in response to other comments here, yalensis. Of course it was known about Freeland’s nazi roots — it was first reported here by a trade union blogpost in 2017 post with documentation and featured in many media including the big ones. But it never “took” with the public. There’s the problem –underinformed, incurious regular Canadians. Just like Americans. News by Facebook, and total disinterest in the political scene.

          If you think Trudeau and his gang are bad, you also have to take into account their naivete. No such naivete is exhibited by the Conservative Party of Canada — they’re due up in office next. Then stephen harper’s nazification will begin in earnest — he was well down that road as PM from 2006 to 2015. Government scientists with commissars accompanying them to conferences to make sure they toed harper’ BS line. By comparison, Trudeau is a piker.

          But you lot would rather believe in horse manure and make up motives concerning people who aren’t that smart — Trudeau and entourage. Planning? What’s that? About sums those amateurs up.

          But blather on — it’s entertaining to see people rush off down a blind alley.

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          • John Kane says:

            The speaker of the House has privileges — he doesn’t have to check with the boy wonders in the Prime Minister’s office who he invites to the Parliamentary gallery.

            He’d take it as as insult or else immediately smell a rat.

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          • yalensis says:

            Once again, Beluga, you need to tone it down and stop attacking other people. Otherwise I start to think that you are suffering from the Canadian version of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), only in the Canadian case it’s Trucker Derangement Syndrome (also TDS!)

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    • yalensis says:

      Aha! Thanks, Delboy, what a great find! Caught both red-handed and also with pants down…
      There goes the “It was only Rota, Zelensky didn’t know” theory…
      🙂

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  9. S Brennan says:

    “The only thing that remains is to erect a statue of Hitler on…”

    …every street corner in DC, London and Brussels and then…hold a surprise unveiling! Good times will be had by all !!!

    Oh wait, I’m giving away the plot twist to the next US election. Meantime we just have to settle for this:

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  10. australianlady9 says:

    The Five Eyes intelligence alliance has been operating since Chrystia Freeland’s grandfather was plying his trade, but the war against Russia and the sequel war against China have given this organisation a contemporary preeminence and notoriety. Post W.W.2 emigration to the 5-eyes participant countries has provided a pool of human “intelligence” to be exploited in the “epic battle of freedom and democracy against communism” (or the continuance of western anglo-saxon hegemony). Apparently Canada was deemed a suitable destination for fascists of Ukrainian ethnicity.
    Social engineering ( multi-culturism, diversity-equity-inclusion) in the 5-eyes countries has promoted the political activities of these minorities in ways that benefit the hegemony but not the nation. National politics impacts western global power and ideology.
    Control is paramount.
    Australia was fortunate to have Italian, Portuguese, and Yugoslav migrants post WW2. The discrete Chinese have always been here, and Sikhs run the banana business. Lebanese, in N.S.W. mainly, have an affinity with gangsterism, but I’m stereotyping here. But we do have the East Turkmenistanis, aka Uyghurs, ready to deploy when the war against China is cranked up, and some are bonefide terrorists with experience in the war against Syria. There are those in Washington who champ the bit impatiently to bring down China, and Australia is poised to play an accessory role.
    Meanwhile they are bogged down in Ukraine. But the Soros/open society foundation/globalist prize twit Justin Trudeau sees a role for himself in this sticky narrative confection. (An aside: do Canadians believe Trudeau’s loopy mother got herself impregnated by Fidel Castro? I’ve seen firsthand the favoured status of Canadians in Cuba).The latest imbroglio in Canada after the fawning reception of the parliament in the presence of Zelenskyy is the accusation by Trudeau that Modi is involved in the assassination of the Sikh activist and Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar. This is an extremely serious development, and all about the China war. The hegemony wants Modi gone.
    Poor foolish Slavic Ukraine. Ground down by the superior Russian military, depeopled for a land grab by supranational entities, and now a nuisance and an irritation for the Washington warmongers impatient for a new theatre of war.
    Palki Sharma has an interesting take on Canada, India and 5-eyes.
    https://www.first post.com/vantage

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    • yalensis says:

      Excellent analysis and comment, thank you!
      As to Canada being considered a suitable place to plant Ukrainian Nazis, I imagine the 5-eyes people took into account climate and geography.

      As for Trudeau being the son of Fidel Castro? I never heard that one. I doubt it though, he doesn’t look Hispanic, even when donning blackface, lol.

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    • ccdrakesannetnejp says:

      Don’t forget the US (and Operation Paperclip). According to Scott Ritter, there is a park in upper New York State in which a statue of Bandera has been erected. Apparently camps are held there every summer so the young generation can be taught the glorious traditions of OUN/UPA Ukrainian ultranationalism.

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      • yalensis says:

        In a twisted way, you gotta sorta hand it to the Ukrainian Banderas. They really do keep the legacy alive, from one generation of youth to the next. The summer camps are an important part of that. Keeping the Bandera flame burning brightly.

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  11. australianlady9 says:


    I hope this gives you Palki Sharma’s Vantage programme.

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  12. Bukko Boomeranger says:

    Amazingly, that Balloon-Juice site I look at for the pro-Uke viewpoint had a BIG denunciation of allowing this old Nazi to address the Canadian Parliament. One of the few times I’ve seen their war writer cast shade on anything Ukrainian. His name IS Silverman, and he’s vocal in his defence of Israel, so I guess the Zionist state trumps the Ukronazi state in his pantheon.

    As far as Canada goes, it’s disappointing to see how it’s thrown itself headlong into the toilet bowl of the Amerikan Empire, which is circling the drain. Not just with the Ukronazis, but arresting the Huawei executive as she transited through Vancouver a few years ago, using financial oppression on the anti-Covid Canadian truckers (even though I disagreed with them, freezing their bank accounts was wrong) and Trudeau approving all sorts of tar sands pipelines. One of the reasons I didn’t emigrate to Canada when I bailed on the U.S. is that I thought it would get dragged under when Uncle Scam fell over. And in the four years I lived in Canuckrainia (after Xwife #2 nagged me into departing from Australia) it wasn’t as sycophantic as now, even though that grey little fascist Stephen Harper was PM.

    Unfortunately, Australia is now rushing to be as big of an ass-remora as Canada, the UK and all of Americanstan’s other colonies. There’s no hope, unless one learns to speak Russian as well as Yalensis.

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    • yalensis says:

      You could always move to South Africa, they speak English there and they maybe have a future. You’d just have to get used to having no electricity for 8 hours of the day…

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