Ukraine War Day #283: Russian AI And The War Of The Future

Dear Readers:

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is one of those over-hyped and scary things, triggering fears of Terminator-like wars of the future, where flying computers, programmed with AI algorithms, hunt down and murder humans for sport.

From sci-fi meme to reality?
In “Metropolis” mad scientist Rotwang creates Robot-Maria

People who are not familiar with the foundations (and the mathematics) of Computer Science often get confused, and are easily manipulated, on the topic of AI. But the concept has been around for decades, even centuries, certainly long before modern computers were physically created. Science-fiction writers in the early part of the 20th century imagined intelligent machines, even flying robots. Their dream became a reality when modern computers were invented. However, all of current Computer Science, even the most sophisticated Machine Learning algorithms are still based on the mathematical theories of Alan Turing. Barring the invention of some other, completely different type of automation [hybrid computers containing human neurons?], even the Skynet Terminator is, at heart, a simple Turing Machine. Unlike human brains, which are infinite, Terminator can only perform a finite (albeit enormous) number of functions and processes; and he can only do what his core programming allows him to do.

On the other hand, the algorithms have gotten much more complicated, and the amount of data that one can store and refer to, has become almost infinite in size. The way a lot of so-called “Machine Learning” works: The automaton already knows what the end-result is supposed to look like, and then “learns”, by trying a billion different things, to reproduce that result. The analogy would be a human solving a jigsaw puzzle. You see on the box what the picture is supposed to look like, and then you keep trying to place all the pieces, until you have achieved the already-known result. If you solved the same puzzle over and over again, a million times, then you could end up skipping a lot of steps, as you learn. But it is still basically a mechanical process. And that’s what Machine Learning is.

A computer algorithm approximates the face of Alan Turing

The results of these computer innovations are awesome: For example, if you are attending a zoom-meeting at work, and your webcam is on, you can ask the zoom AI to draw a fake moustache on your face; and somehow it knows exactly where the contours of your nose are. I think even Alan Turing, were he to come back to life, would be impressed by this. Or, maybe he would just shrug and say, “Facial recognition, jolly good! They must have an infinite supply of punch cards or tape.” Because it’s still basically just a tape moving back and forth on a tape-reader. He who designed and punched the code on the tape, that was the human being. That was Rotwang. Or Alan Turing.

Before continuing on to today’s story from the Russian press, I just want to make one other small point: People often get confused between the words Automation and Artificial Intelligence. Automation is when computers do something that humans could already do by themselves, and in fact do it almost exactly the way humans do it, but just faster. For example, in theory you could add up a series of thousands of numbers, just using pencil and paper (or an abacus, or your fingers), but it might take you a long time. A computer, using counters and a loop, can do the same job in the wink of eye. But it still has to go through the steps. One simple distinction is this: When we talk Automation, we’re talking mostly digital (using discrete data); whereas AI deals with analog processes, continuous data, and non-discrete data. AI encompasses sub-branches such as facial recognition, voice recognition, pattern recognition, statistical control processes, and translation/interpretation of human languages. In the piece I am about to review, they are talking about the geometry and calculus of rocket trajectories. And of mathematical equations which a human being can actually perform manually, just not fast enough to get the job done. Therefore, I would qualify this as Automation rather than AI; however the interlocutor calls it AI. Admittedly, the line gets blurrier and blurrier.

Plug-Ins vs HIMARS

Reporter Evgeny Pozdnakov interviews a man named Yury Knutov, who heads the Air Defense Museum of the Russian Armed Forces. We have met Mr. Knutov before, which is why I have this very nice medallion of his face already in my Media library.

Yury Knutov

Knutov: “Initially, when the American HIMARS first appeared in Ukraine, we did not know how to fight against them. We decided to try the BUK-M3 complexes against them. This BUK complex is modern and completely digital, factually it is a computer with elements of Artificial Intelligence.

“Speaking about the HIMARS, it is important to note one of their characteristics: The rocket initially rises up to 20 km and only then dives down onto the target with a high degree of accuracy. The BUKs managed to intersect it exactly at a height of 20 km, they would then capture it on their radar screen, and then strike it. Currently we have collected even more data about these American devices. With the help of our data collection, we have been able to create a new [computer] program, which was added on to our other air-defense complexes. And now they have all been enhanced and automated [with this code plug-in].

“The problem earlier was that we did not have all this HIMARS data programmed into our Air-Defense [algorithms]. But now we have succeeded in learning, in detail, the parameters of the flight, and the points of intersection.

“Hence, this new knowledge that we acquired, is very important. Before, it was a manual process to capture the rocket on radar, and this very much complicated the work of our operators. But now we have eliminated the human factor in the process of fighting against the HIMARS. We are talking about unbelievable speeds, this is why, when working with these rockets, we need to use computers. Human reaction time isn’t quick enough to deal with it. We’re talking about milliseconds. Therefore, the appropriate algorithms have been added to many of our [Russian] air-defense complexes; and this has allowed us to greatly improve their effectiveness.

“In conclusion: The appearance, on the Ukrainian front, of these new weapons systems, including the GBU-39 bomb with the HIMARS engine, which is produced by Boeing, has provided us with much valuable data, while studying them. We will continue to work, to research, to master the statistical data. And, in the final analysis, we will perfect our algorithms, and these plug-ins will be added to all of our air-defense systems and complexes. In truth, this type of practice has been going on for decades, there is nothing new here.”

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32 Responses to Ukraine War Day #283: Russian AI And The War Of The Future

  1. leaf says:

    In the meantime, I think this might be the first time the Red Army Choir has made something for the SMO, and specifically for the Chechens

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  2. michaeldroy says:

    … which is the secondary reason why the MIC doesn’t want its weapons trialled in Ukraine. Primarily they don’t want the world to find out how crap they are
    (Brian Bertelic / The new atlas on teh rubbish super jet B21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq9li-2W-Yc )
    and second they don’t want Russia working how to respond to them

    Thanks for the piece and nice discussion on AI.
    It is quite stunning really that Nato hasn’t figured a way to counteract Russian observer drones yet. It is not as though they are some kind of unexpected new idea.

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  3. peter moritz says:

    I like to point you to this article, which lays out why AI is not to be confused with AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, which is at a different level – the human level of “Understanding”. And why AI will always be limited to fulfilling specific tasks.

    “Without genuine understanding, the ability to seamlessly transfer relevant knowledge from one domain to another will remain allusive. Furthermore, lacking phenomenal sensation (in which to both ground meaning and desire), even a system with a “complete explanatory model” (allowing it to accurately predict future states) would still lack intentional pull, with which to drive genuinely autonomous teleological behavior”

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.513474/full

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    • yalensis says:

      Thanks for the article, peter. I stashed that link away for future study. It doesn’t look like an easy read, in fact it may well be above my IQ limitations, but I’ll give it the old school try.

      Yeah, Turing himself proved mathematically the limits of machine “intelligence”; one of his core theorems was called “the halting problem”:

      “Halting problem is perhaps the most well-known problem that has been proven to be undecidable; that is, there is no program that can solve the halting problem for general enough computer programs. It’s important to specify what kind of computer programs we’re talking about. In the above case, it’s a Python program, but in computation theory, people often use Turing machines which are proven to be as strong as “usual computers”. In 1936, Alan Turing proved that the halting problem over Turing machines is undecidable using a Turing machine; that is, no Turing machine can decide correctly (terminate and produce the correct answer) for all possible program/input pairs.”

      And this is the true reason why digital computers, as hyped-up Turing machines, can never enslave mankind, even if you painted eyebrows on them and taught them how to fly!

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  4. Liborio Guaso says:

    Greed as the universe is infinite. Let’s not have any illusions that for a while the new technologies will be used only to kill and rob as has happened in the past. At the moment we see that they are only used to scam others like cryptocurrencies or foster illusions of a better parallel world, where only those who can pay are supposed to go like the metaverse. Or they graft you a chip and enslave you for life. That is part of the battle the world is waging.

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  5. Anti-swastika says:

    Your posts are excellent, as is this one, but I have to quibble about a couple of things. “Unlike human brains, which are infinite” – uh, NO. Human brains are made of a finite number of molecules of various types, organized into cells and supporting substances, and as such they are ‘just as finite’ as the computers they’ve figured out how to build. Just because human brains are (so far) unable to figure out exactly how human brains work doesn’t make them infinite. Secondly, “the amount of data that one can store and refer to, has become almost infinite in size” – oh boy, “almost infinite” makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, sorry. As for the computers not based on Turing’s model, the most likely candidate I know about is quantum computers, which (as far as I know) still can’t do anything useful. If anyone knows different, please correct me

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    • yalensis says:

      Thanks, anti-s. Maybe you are right, that human brains are not infinite. I mean, of course you’re right, given that there is a finite number of molecules and neurons. I was just being somewhat flowery and poetic there; actually just trying to draw a line between human (or any biological) intelligence, as opposed to digital circuits.

      “almost infinite in size…” Yeah, okay, you got me on that one too! I just mean, like, super-big databases with gigas and teras and whatever comes after that…

      I’d also like somebody to chime in on quantum computers, if they know anything about this topic. I know very little. I know (or think I know) that they are based on non-binary, like each bit possessing possibly 3 states instead of 2.
      Which is nothing all that shocking. People think digital computers are just ones and zeros, but a lot of times in programming, you have to deal with 3 states, not just two. For example, the answer to a question could be True, False, or Unknown. So, no biggie. I’d bet one paycheck that quantum computers are also Turing machines, just wearing fancier lipstick.

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      • Anti-swastika says:

        My understanding if quantum computers, speaking as a very-much-NOT expert, is that the ‘bits’ still have the same 0 or 1 states, but that they have both states simultaneously . To use the classic Turing machine as analogy, anywhere there could be a hole in the paper tape, there is and isn’t a hole there. Is that different enough for you?

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        • yalensis says:

          It’s different, but not different enough to qualify as true intelligence, IMHO. But then what do I know, I was trained in digital/binary algorithms, so my brain isn’t smart enough to comprehend how a bit can be both 0 and 1 at the same time. To me, it still feels like trinary (3-state) logic, which is quite normal in, say, SQL programming.
          The Turing tape, by the way, does not contain a hole, like the classic IBM punch card. Each cell contains a symbol. The symbol could be a number, or a letter, or even a blank.
          The Turing computer is called a “State Machine” and does not look much like modern computers, but beneath the hood they are all based on Turing’s mathematics, nonetheless.
          Having watched Sabine’s youtube episode about Quantum Computers, I consider myself to be an expert in that field, and can state authoritatively that the Quantum Computer, insofar as not just hype, would also be a type of Turing Machine. In other words, it could never rise to true animal or human intelligence. So, no need to fear a Skynet sort of situation based on Quantum Computers. In the end, we humans, can still out-fox the machines!
          🙂

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    • yalensis says:

      Re. quantum computers, I just happened to see this piece on youtube, in which this scientist, Sabine, explains a lot of quantum computing, what is real and what is hype.
      There is some amusing discussion and soundbites regarding people hyping these start-ups for modeling weather systems. Sabine (2:45 minutes in):

      “Last time I looked, no one had any idea how to do a weather forecast on a quantum computer. It’s not just that no one has done it, no one knows if it’s even possible, because weather is a non-linear system whereas quantum mechanics is a linear theory.”

      In which case, if quantum computers can only solve linear equations (or simplified approximations of linear equations), then how are they any different, or any better, than the Turing-machine computers we currently use? For example, weather forecasting is currently done on ordinary (non-quantum) computers by dumbing down complex non-linear systems to linear systems. And similarly, if I am not mistaken, calculating GPS coordinates from 3 satellites is accomplished by simplifying complex systems to linear equations, and then feeding them into digital computers.

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      • peter moritz says:

        Sabine…yes, she is good and debunks a lot of BS science, like i.e. questioning the reasonability of quantum computers, string theory (a misnomer, at max it is a hypothesis), or the contention that the universe is a simulation.

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        • yalensis says:

          She explains things very clearly and without B.S. I think what I came away with, is that quantum computers are mostly PR, and that people started building them backwards. In other words, they started with the technology itself (the sub-freezing temps, etc.) instead of developing qubit algorithms. They didn’t do any paper-coding or paper-debugging.
          Paper-coding is the act of writing out all the steps of a program on paper, and can be done without having an actual computer in front of you. For example, if you were the first programmer to attempt a recursive “bubble-sort” algorithm, then you would write out the steps on paper and test your algorithm with test data.

          Once you have the algorithms and the code, then you build the technology to handle this code, e.g., transistor switches to hold the bits, etc.

          Sounds like, with these quantum computers, they did it backwards and built the qubits before they had any useful algorithms to code for. So, when they trot out this glorious machine to show their investors, the only thing it can do is prime factor the number 21! And only that one number 21.
          In other words, these guys put the cart before the horse. Well, maybe they had to, in order to get the billions of dollars they are going to need, in order to build these things physically.

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  6. S Brennan says:

    File Under: Don’t let your adversary see your cards before he bets.

    The dummies of DC, the very dregs of my society, [in spite of what they think of themselves], have made their way to power by stealing, cheating and lying.

    And in war, as in poker, there is a certain amount of cheating and lying but, it will not provide winning cards…nor play them well, particularly…if you are so drunkenly overconfident in your mastery of the game that you proudly display your cards to the entire table. Essentially, that is what the Bush/Obama/Biden administration [singular intended*] have done as they pursued the reestablishment of a neocolonial empire through ill-advised wars of no value.

    The global network of neocolonialist** have been over playing their hand since the second half of the 19th century, had they established a reasonable empire [See prince Albert], the world would now be their oyster but, they continued to feed their insatiable avarice and so doomed themselves if…reformation is not endeavored. As technologies have worked their way through the populace and the internet has sped the process, so too the demise of neocolonialist advantage…the industrious soul no longer requires a certain level of wealth to become imbued with science, industry and technology. Meanwhile, neocolonialist have employed technology not to fulfill human needs, rather, to come up with evermore complex schemes to enforce the fleecing of the plebs…without reformation the west will become a dystopian backwater. The threat to the west is of it’s own making, it is almost entirely internal, simply put, the abuse of power.

    And if Trump served a purpose it was to highlight the 3LA’s abuse of power to maintain the neocolonialist’s agmen of the last 45 years. Either we seek reformation or, we, the USA, will cease to be an empire worthy of our forefathers.

    * Clinton also belongs but, it would make it appear as if my list was partisan with Cheney/Bush jr as tokens.

    **[often referred to as neocons…when there’s nothing conservative about them..just as there’s nothing liberal about neoliberals”]

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  7. the pair says:

    funny how i came to this post right after reading this:

    https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/the-incremental-normalization-of-police-murderbots-probably-needs-more-attention-2be0cf641afa

    i could dissect, destroy and defecate the AI hype but this is just a comment section and, as the joker said in ‘the dark knight’, “if you’re good at something NEVER do it for free”.

    automation and/or AI are good at following instructions. because they’re computer stuff and that’s all computer stuff is: a list of instructions. machine learning is in its nascent stage and still operates in the realm of “GIGO”. i recall a recent story about some machine learning AI being tested and the results were: racism and sexism.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2022/06/21/flawed-artificial-intelligence-robot-racist-sexist/

    all this talk comes from materialists and biological determinists and gene worshippers and technocrats. in other words, a laundry list of people who need to be confined to an island somewhere. there’s also this fun example of “what could go wrong except everything?”:

    https://qz.com/345640/scientists-say-all-the-worlds-data-can-fit-on-a-dna-hard-drive-the-size-of-a-teaspoon

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  8. Ortensio F. says:

    A proposito de la guerra que viene :

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#sent/FFNDWMtTvMPtpGvSCrhgwrjSVkZmDxnG?projector=1

    ( Siento que este solamente en idioma español No tiene subtitulos .
    Ya sabemos que el español tiene alguna cualidad, que no es la suficiencia técnica )

    ________

    El contenido es cierto . Estuvo a punto de suceder en 2014 . Depende de la manifestacíon Universal del Hombre . Y eso está al suceder .

    O esclavitud .
    O Mad Max .

    Lo mas probable es que sea Mad Max . Porque la profundidad de la mente humana , que es divina, infinita, ( y no por los datos , que por ellos no es sino finita ), no admite la esclavitud .

    Si la mente fuese finita admitiria la esclavitud , puesto que estaría sometida a mas o menos datos, a rendimientos, es decir a lo cuantitativo .

    En consecuencia, …. guerra .

    No existira termino medio . Y comenzara en dos o tres meses . Muy pronto .

    PS ( 1 ) : Y , sí, atendiendo a los mapas de tal guerra, es posible que, en virtud de las armas mas aterradoras, los que tambien se salven en este caso sean los “amigos” judios ..

    PS ( 2 ) : La Historia ha terminado . El Bien Universal está a punto de ser revelado .
    A todos , animo y ….. tanto material , como espiritual , SALUD .

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  9. Daniel Rich says:

    Can AI think ahead…?

    Still wondering who invented the wheel…

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    • yalensis says:

      I don’t think AI can think ahead, in the human sense of imagining what tomorrow may bring [cue the Broadway tune Que sera sera!].

      However, it can do statistical projections, using mathematical equations. But then, so can any ordinary computer. Even the Babbage/Lovelace computer from the 1800’s could do that. I mean, even an abacus could tabulate tables of numbers running into the future of the time dimension.

      As for who invented the wheel, ooh ooh, call on me, teacher! that’s an easy one. It was the ancient Ukrainians, they were a race of pure Aryan blood, who called themselves Ukry. Which is ancient Ukrainian for “We the bestest”. They invented the wheel, tamed horses, learned the secret of fire, invented the pottery wheel, brewed beer, planted vineyards, came up with the alphabet, and built vast civilizations.

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      • peter moritz says:

        And the result of all this effort? A clown running (actually a puppet on a string) this vast civilization that invented the world as we know it. How sad….

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    • peter moritz says:

      “Can AI think”

      If you mean by thinking that:

      “Without genuine understanding, the ability to seamlessly transfer relevant knowledge from one domain to another will remain allusive. ”

      Than no. If you mean completing prescribed narrow talk with accuracy – then yes.

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      • Daniel Rich says:

        @ peter/yalensis,

        I sometimes wonder whether my memories are mine, or they are there because my mom told me I did this and that when I was 2.

        404 = Ukraine [and vice versa].

        The Ukrainian clown turned ‘Quatre Main’ into ‘Deux Bites.’

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        • yalensis says:

          Daniel, that is profound comment in a lot of ways. For sure memory is an elusive thing. I myself feel pretty sure of my memories, such as the ones that I have. I literally don’t remember anything that happened to me before I was 4, it’s just a blank. Now, my mother constantly tells me this story about this exploit I supposedly committed when I was 3 or 4, and it was a rather big deal to her; but I literally don’t remember it. I only remember her telling me about it, but not out of my own memory banks.
          To be sure, some people can have false, implanted, memories. I don’t think that is possible with me, because I am too practical-minded. For the same reason, even the world’s best hypnotist would not be able to hypnotize me. But for some more impressionable people, sure.

          Now, the issue becomes slippier with actual memories that I have. For example, some important thing happens to me, and I tell all my friends about it, one by one. As I tell the story, it becomes less sharp, and at times it starts to seem like I am more remembering the act of relating what happened, than the actual memory itself. But this is normal. Human memory, just like computer memory, needs to be constantly refreshed, or it fades. In computer memory, the magnetic spots that record memory need to be refreshed and re-magnetized constantly, in order to hold their bit. I think the same is probably true for human neurons, you need to keep pressing on that spot, in order to keep the associations fresh. But it’s all very mysterious when it comes to humans. (And other animals.) It’s still a mystery to me, how birds know exactly how to build a nest for the very first time, without being shown; and their “algorithm” of nest-building involves many different and quite complicated steps.

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          • Daniel Rich says:

            @ yalensis,

            I’m kind of ‘studying’ my mother-in-law. She’s 94 and has dementia. The weird thing is: some things that happened she vividly remembers, while she tells a visiting nurse that nobody ever visits her [while were sitting in the same room]. In all cases she believes her statements to be true.

            As to my own memories: I do remember seeing my brother for the first time, and I was 3 back then. I also try not to polish events to make myself look good [better]. I think that’s basically because honesty and trust are very dear to me [I’m also a businessman], and you can’t do business without those ingredients.

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            • yalensis says:

              Hi, Daniel, that’s very sad about your mother-in-law.

              I know some other people who have actual memories as far back as the age of 3. For me the dividing line is 4, I think. My earliest memory ever (I think) is being bitten by a bug out in the grass, and screaming my lungs out. My second memory is seeing my younger sister (as a newborn) brought home from the hospital, after my mother gave birth to her. I was 4. Except that memory is really distorted, because I remember her, not as a bald newborn baby, but much older and bigger (more like a toddler, with a full head of hair), and my mother just hefting this huge baby, so obviously that memory is not completely accurate within my own brain cells!

              It’s sort of scary to realize that the thing that most defines us as an individual (our memories) are just made of jelly and can be altered, destroyed, or damaged.

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  10. Susan Welsh says:

    Putin gave a long speech on AI about a week ago. You might want to say something about it.

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