Ukraine War Day #837: Zakharova To Armenian Ambassador: Name The Bodies

Dear Readers:

Today I have this piece by reporter Vera Basilaya. It is a short piece and rather vague and cryptic in its offering, but ties together several resonant themes, including the Bucha massacre of April 2022.

As readers will recall, Russian troops briefly occupied the Ukrainian city of Bucha, which is not far from Kiev, right at the start of the Special Military Operation. They soon withdrew, however, because that whole operation was a sort of feint. Not everybody knew that, though. Apparently many Bucha residents welcomed the Russian army and accepted food (in the form of military rations) and other humanitarian products from the Russians.

A couple of days after the Russians withdrew, the Ukrainian side, encouraged by a hysterically-screaming Western press, announced they had uncovered a mass massacre committed allegedly by Russian troops, with numerous corpses clogging the streets. The war hysteria, especially whipped up by the English tabloid press, helped ensure that the war would continue, even though the Russian side was eager to end it quickly with a negotiated peace.

Maria Zakharova

Noteworthy is the fact that, to this day, nobody on the NATO side has provided a list of the Bucha victims. Whenever a homicide is alleged, the very first thing that the criminalists are supposed to do is identify the victim by name and provide the results of an autopsy as to manner of death. But this was never done for the Bucha victims. Pro-Russians assume, and there are many logical reasons to assume this, that the massacre was committed by a combination of Ukrainian Nazi battalions and English Special Forces. What is known is that, after the Russian troops left, the Ukrainians conducted a house-to-house search for “collaborators”. These included people who may have greeted the Russian army, as well as people who accepted Russian food. Many of the victims were displayed with Russian army ration bowls nearby, as if their murderers had to show the world what happens to collaborators. Another assumption is that the corpses of the “collaborators” were supplemented with spare bodies taken from the morgue, in order to beef up the number of alleged victims and drive the world to a pitch of hysteria.

It is noteworthy that no Western court, including the Hague, has deigned to touch this matter with a ten-foot pole.

Why Armenia?

Next we turn to the country of Armenia. Which, in recent months, has gone over wholly to the NATO side and now stands like a pup eager to please his new master. Which means that the Armenian government is supposed to spout any narratives or talking points offered by the West. The word “Bucha” is considered a holy word in NATO dogma, like the Trinity to Roman Catholics.

Vladimir Karapetyan

How this spat started: To show his fealty for the NATO cause, the Armenian Ambassador to Kiev [not named in the article, but I assume they are referring to Vladimir Karapetyan], recently made a pilgrimage to Bucha, making a big show of bringing humanitarian assistance to the residents. The VZGLIAD article is rather laconic about what happened, but it seems that Karapetyan must have claimed that the Ukrainians had handed over to him a list of victims of the Bucha massacre.

In response, Maria Zakharova called upon Armenian Parliamentarians to share that list with the world. According to Zakharova, Russia has been trying, for two years, to obtain such a list. Nobody, including the UN, has supplied such a list, or seems to want to have anything to do with this. Delegations from America, the EU, and Canada have all been trooping through Bucha, but nobody seems to know anything, or have a copy of the list. Moscow does not expect anything good or positive from any of these people, according to Zakharova.

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26 Responses to Ukraine War Day #837: Zakharova To Armenian Ambassador: Name The Bodies

  1. michaeldroy says:

    The day after this BBC was reporting from Irpin about how a few dead bodies lay around after the Russians had pulled out. They didn’t reference that Kiev had made 25,000 arms available to civilians and the BBC itself had been praising brave civilians who had fought against tanks, but intelligent observers understood.
    They also reported from a couple of smaller villages 10Km south – so two reporters with 2 camera crews were present.

    Why is this relevant. Because the BBC have never reported directly from Bucha ever. Not once. They showed a Ukrainian documentary which included an interview by a BBC reporter of someone claiming to be from Bucha – but that interview took place in Poland and was originally meant to be to support his book about reporting with PTSD.

    How far is Irpin from Bucha – the other side of the bridge over the Bucha river – they are a twin city.

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    • yalensis says:

      Interesting. I didn’t know that the BBC never reported from Bucha. Not that it would matter, they would just transcribe and transmit whatever lies the Ukrainians told them.

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      • michaeldroy says:

        I have searched and searched and found nothing – well there was 1 piece by a reporter who implied he had interviewed a local. So I checked the other reports by him. Almost all USA and W Europe. Not a single report from E Europe. Mind he did have two reports about the Ujghurs though…

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    • james says:

      irpin borders on bucha according to google maps – so a couple of kilometers, depending on what part of irpin or bucha one was making a line to and from.. both are on the western outer area of kiev..

      yalensis, it is interesting how they have never come up with a list of the dead here… it would seem they pulled a false flag, but were careless in the details to go with it..

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      • “…it is interesting how they have never come up with a list of the dead here…”

        They still haven’t come up with a list of the dead in the so called Tiananmen Square Massacre, and that alleged event was 35 years ago!

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        • james says:

          i didn’t know that… it’s the same pattern.. thanks..

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        • ccdrakesannetnejp says:

          The two events were rather different in nature. I’m having a bit of a hard time understanding your point, though that may be my fault. In the case of Bucha, the Ukrainian government was in a good position to document the alleged massacre and should have been eager to make at least a partial list of the dead in order to prove its allegations if the allegations were true. The Ukies even made videos of corpses wearing white armbands, so they could easily have investigated who those people were, since they were supposedly lying near their houses. In Bucha there were obviously corpses of people who had been killed, many presumably by Banderites for fraternizing with the Russians, while in the Tiananmen Square “massacre” (a misnomer since most of the deaths didn’t occur in the square), estimates of the number of deaths vary wildly and widely. Nevertheless, Beijing hospitals recorded 478 deaths, who were presumably almost all identified, and the Tiananmen Mothers group identified 202 dead people. Presumably the Chinese soldiers and police who were killed were also identified. With the Tiananmen demos, the Chinese government didn’t want to publicize the names of the dead because it wanted to hide the protests, but it almost surely made detailed lists for itself. In the case of Bucha, however, the Ukrainian government had no reason to hide the identities of the dead. Quite the opposite, since it wanted to use the dead as anti-Russia propaganda. In the Chinese case, the government surely had a fairly complete list but didn’t want to publicize it, while the Ukrainian government seems to have deliberately not made a list in spite of the fact that it wanted claim a large number of victims. Moreover, the Chinese government wanted to minimize the number of dead, while the Ukrainian government wanted to maximize the number of dead. Therefore the motive of the Chinese authorities is clear, while the motive of the Ukrainian authorities is unclear and therefore very suspicious. They have no obvious motive for not disclosing the identities of the Bucha dead, so it is natural to suspect the authorities of fraud and false statements. Judging by their actions, the Ukrainian authorities seem to be trying hard to prevent an objective investigation of the corpses and to create a propaganda event instead.

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  2. “It is noteworthy that no Western court, including the Hague, has deigned to touch this matter with a ten-foot pole.”

    What, they didn’t manage to gin up fake “evidence” yet? They’re slipping!

    [WordPress making me sign in to comment. Again.]

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  3. S Brennan says:

    From the Intersectional audio-files of your friendly 3LA

    Double O’Seven: Hi honey, I’m home !

    Dutiful Wife: Ohh..you’re early, I didn’t think you’d be back ’til tomorrow….
    ________________________________________

    I started to write a satire based on an agent that works for a British 3LA named Double O’Seven trying to direct his Galician-goons to rearrange their massacre victims in Bucha to appear as if the Russians did it. Yelling to them to take off the pro-Russian armbands on the corpses and other such obvious “tells” so he could create a little anti-Russian “cinĂ©ma vĂ©ritĂ©” for 3LA’s Media-Outlets.

    But, the agent finds out that the goons were so proud of their terrorist deed they wanted it to remain as a monument to their work so, they pretended not to understand Double O’Seven’s interpreter. Then having Double O’Seven go home and explain the complete cock-up to his dutiful wife. But as I started to noodle out a script…it just got too damn depressing.

    Honestly, the depravity of DC & London’s unelected/unaccountable 3LA’s [and their minions] is…mind numbing. Thinking about it, it seems, no civilization can withstand such black-holes of negativity…they are the satanic darkness that all civilizations give birth to and in Oedipean fashion, are eventually torn apart by.

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    • yalensis says:

      Then 007 is captured and interrogated by Sherlock Holmes. Holmes naturally sees through the entire charade at a single glance. Also knowing quite a lot (from his encounters with Professor Moriarty) about how the criminal mind works, he intuits that the Ukrainian goons just can’t help themselves – they HAVE to display their work to the world and brag about their deeds of vengeance. It’s just a compulsion, and it’s also their Achilles Heel, as Holmes lectures to 007, just before snapping him into handcuffs and turning him over to Detective Lestrade.

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  4. ccdrakesannetnejp says:

    Here is some more on Russia’s new EKS Kupol early-warning satellite system from Andrei Martyanov, who takes Ted Postal of MIT to the intellectual woodshed for not paying attention to Russia’s latest satellite technology. He believes that even now, with only 6 out of 10 satellites in orbit, the RKS Kupol system is capable of seeing US missiles from the moment of launching anywhere in the world. He seems to attribute Postol’s ignorance of the EKS and other recent Russian systems to his being surrounded by layers and layers of “expert” scientists who had their basic attitudes formed in the 1990s and who simply can’t believe that Russia is just as advanced or even more advanced than the US in rocket science and satellite technology. Please see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34v5DGzbgjs

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    • S Brennan says:

      CCD, I have not read Andrei’s piece, I will do so in the morning. While I assiduously read Andrei’s missives and hold his views in high regard [except on music] and though my commentary is often dismissed out of hand by Andrie or, often deleted..which is his right, I pass by his blog every day. All that said, I find a fair amount of Russian copium in his work. We all have our biases and I am certainly not immune.

      With that in mind, there is quite a difference between the Voronezh radar’s capability and that of EKS. The launch of ICBM and theatre ballistic missiles are high signature events during their boost phase with burn times between 4- 2 minutes of high observability whereas cruise missiles have a boost phase of only a few seconds before their low observable turbojet provides primary thrust. EKS is primarily looking for a heat signature, not a radar signature. Cruise missiles spend their entire flight as deeply submersed in the dense atmosphere as possible, where their heat signature is significantly attenuated and their radar signature is often lost in background scatter. This is also true for “stealth-aircraft”. This greatly effects a cruise missile’s detection from space [and ground stations].

      The Voronezh radar would avoid much background scatter because of it’s orientation. It also would be able to “see” US command and control drones out over the Black Sea. What’s more, I highly suspect such powerful radar could “paint” such spy craft while remaining immune to counter jamming because it would require an airborne radar of similar power to do so. Not an easy thing to do…place the power of a Voronezh radar in an aircraft.

      One final point that may seem unrelated…had I led with it. In this Crimean-War 2.0, it is the Black Sea Coast [BSC] the English & anglicized schoolboys of DC/London covet and while there is an element of vainglory in reclaiming lost empires, it is not a desire without merit. Without the BSC and the lands east of the Dnieper Ukrainia is farmland, high value farmland to be sure but, farmland whose crops must travel 600 miles by rail before reaching the sea for transport…which limits it’s value.

      Conversely, the military value of the BSC to NATO is enormous as it forces Russian vessels, those of commerce, those of war to run a gauntlet of fire. It negates, to a large extent the value of Russia’s only true warm water seaport. The English-anglicized schoolboys of DC & London would gladly trade all of Ukrainia to retain the Black Sea Coast. so far a great deal of DC/London’s military efforts seem geared towards this goal. I suspect the Armavir radar destruction has more to do with this than those put forth in the stories I cited.

      It’s said a picture is worth a thousand words, in keeping with that I repost the illustration* of the other day.

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      • S Brennan says:

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        • JC says:

          The key points, in my opinion, remain that:

          A) The Black Sea coast, as you point out, is both the best warm-water outlet Russia has and key to approaches that cut off the Caucuses, Russian oil and gas infrastructure in its south, and access to the Caspian. If OKW could have performed their primary strike via an amphibious invasion at Sochi, say, they would have. A NATO Black Sea–especially one in which Crimea is theirs, makes that possible.

          Remember, again, we’re dealing with people whose strategic direction revolved around strangling and dividing the Heartland through chaos in order to keep it disunited and subject to control from its littoral by a seaborne raiding culture.

          B) To that end, disabling the look-down shadow of these radars in particular would free the modern Sea Peoples from worrying that their fleets are under observation and someone else knows exactly where to send hypersonics. Especially if said fleets are staging well out for strikes at Iran, who I do not think possesses robust observation.

          So, while damaging nuclear early-warning capability would be considered a positive by the ghouls, I don’t think they’re planning that far ahead. It’s more likely they have other, short-term ideas in mind.

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          • S Brennan says:

            “…the modern Sea Peoples”

            Great line JC !

            I add, for clarity’s sake, that most Americans have no clue as to the diabolical actions taken by the diabolical dunderheads of DC & London ie [Modern-Day-Sea-Peoples]. And should they be aware, they have no say, no choice in the matter but…

            Modern-Day-Sea-Peoples is a keeper…par excellence !!!

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          • S Brennan says:

            BTW, I agree on your last point/sentence. That’s where this story and the F-16’s based in Romania/Poland but, doing a “touch & go” in Ukrainia before attacking Russia…dovetail…I think.

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  5. JC says:

    Minor quibble: as far as I can tell the Kiev thrust was not a feint. There was a serious effort to approach Kiev’s national administration buildings and Spetsnaz were fighting within blocks of Bankova before stalling out. This is why the West was calling on Z to evacuate.

    There are rumors that Western special forces were involved in blunting this thrust until other forces could be mobilized to take over. Once that blunting took place Russia needed to go large–which they positioned to do, with their large column of reinforcements, but even then it would have been a slog and Russia was not (yet) positioned materially or psychologically to engage in that fashion.

    So, when the opportunity came to extract their forces as an honest goodwill gesture to the all-but-finalized peace deal, Russia took the double-duty decision and pulled out. They should have, however, realized the nature of the regime and told the civilians what they were doing and the risks involved; many would have chosen to leave with them, perhaps. It could have saved some lives.

    As-is, the murders in Bucha (not including still-alive staged bodies moving on film) did apply a wake-up call to future evacuations and the Russian people, in that they were not dealing with reasonable humans.

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    • yalensis says:

      I have read some plausible explanations that the “still-alive staged bodies moving on film” were not actually alive, these unfortunate people were corpses as well.

      I saw those videos where the body appears to sit up as the car passes by, but reputable bloggers (sorry, don’t have links) have argued that this is just an optical illusion caused by the angle of the rear-view mirror and the camera, etc.

      That’s just a minor detail, though.

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