Today finishing up with this interview of Russian politician Franz Klintsevich, the reporter is Denis Tel’manov. Recall that Klintsevich himself fought in Afghanistan, back in the day, and so has quite a lot of knowledge of that region and its history. While chatting about many things, one main theme is his theory that the American special forces are basically behind the Taliban. Well, we know that the Americans pretty much created the Taliban in the first place, back in the day, as a weapon against the Soviet Union. They also created Al Qaeda, ISIS, and many other terrorist groupings, each with its purpose to serve.
But is it logical to think that, even now, after being militarily defeated by their own creation, they (the American special forces) still pull the strings? Yes, it’s possible, however illogical it might seem. Reality is like that, it’s illogical and contains many contradictions, all part of the Hegelian dialectic! Ordinary minds, like mine, sometimes balk at that and want to find simple explanations, not convoluted conspiracies. But recall that we are dealing with the Great Game, the struggle of Empires to control Central Asia and thus the Eurasian continent in general. As Sherlock Holmes might say, “Dark deeds are afoot.”
The Goal Was The Crimea
Where we left off, the reporter suddenly pivoted from Central Asia and asked Klintsevich if he thought Ukrainian President Zelensky’s recent trip to Washington, had anything to do with these Afghan events. Klintsevich replied with a categorical “No”.
Hence, I am going to skip over the next part of the interview where Franz gets sidetracked talking about Zelensky and the Ukraine, the gas deal, the Donbass, Crimea, will Ukraine join NATO? all that jazz; it’s interesting, but it’s not relevant to our main topic of Afghanistan.
Then Franz segues back from Ukraine to Afghanistan when he starts talking about all the money the Americans spent in the Ukraine, and comparing with Afghanistan:
Klintsevich: They [the Ukrainians] will not be able to find money to pay their armed forces and the security forces. The Americans aren’t going to pay. They already learned many lessons, and their strategy has changed. Back in 2014, this was acceptable. Back then the Americans handed out something like $2 billion dollars in all, over the course of 7 years.
Whereas the situation in Afghanistan in 2021 led to a [radical] change in strategy, in the way that special operations are conducted. They have transferred [the work] from the military to the special forces. The army is unhappy, of course. Their trough has been taken away. In Afghanistan they possessed a colossal trough, and had nothing to show for it in the end.
And now [the Americans] plan to spend much less money on these special operations, but the money will be spent more effectively, due to the fact that it has been passed on into the hands of the special forces.
Reporter: If the Americans did all of this in the Ukraine, they must have had some kind of goal, and not simply to destroy Ukraine’s friendship with Russia. What was the real purpose?
Klintsevich: They had a goal, and they pursued that goal. Even before 2014 when they undertook that provocation [=the Maidan coup] with the shootings, the bloodshed, the neutralization of [ex-President of the Ukraine Viktor] Yanukovych. You know, if Yanukovych had stood firm, like [Belorussian President] Lukashenko did, then he would have remained President to this day, and everything would have remained normal. [yalensis: Except that Crimea would still be Ukrainian, so there is that…]
But Yanukovych tried to sit on two chairs at the same time; and not even two chairs, but three chairs. As the kind of man with a criminal psychology [himself] who had prepared all the preconditions for the “Maidan”, he was in the end betrayed by [like-minded] people from the criminal world.
But the main goal here — was the complete privatization of the Crimea. For sure, they might have left some beaches and sanatoriums, but what they [the Americans] were planning to build there was a giant military complex. They planned to place there NATO ships, huge centers of radar and satellite detection, the entire Black Sea coast would have been under their control, half of Russian territory, at least the entire Southern Military Okrug, would have been under their complete control, they would have been able to overhear everything going on. [yalensis: In which case, I think Klintsevich is misusing the term “privatization” since the goal was not to have the Crimea owned by an oligarch, but rather by the U.S. military itself, and NATO.]
These were astounding facts. What they are currently doing near Nikolaev [a Ukrainian city on the Black Sea coast], is, of course, very high-tech, but certainly nowhere near what they were planning to do in the Crimea.
And, by the way, they were planning to build, not just military objects, they had planned, and signed contracts with various organizations to build children’s kindergartens, schools, educational centers, which the Americans had planned to build for their military personnel who were to be stationed there.
And as for these military installations near Nikolaev, it’s not the Ukrainians building them, they are being built by American specialists who were specially picked and trained. [What the Americans had planned was] the complete colonization of the Ukraine, there would not be left any kind of independence whatsoever.
Having conducted this operation in 2014, having created this chaos, bringing into power people who were subordinated to the leadership of the USA, they did not expect this kind of effect [when Crimea decided to rejoin Russia]. And to be sure, they [the Americans] were somewhat angry when the Ukrainian military and power structure were not able to handle the situation, and in some cases even got scared and turned into cowards.
And nowadays they seek out similar cowards who shriek on the television that “We will liberate them.” One of these players — is Zelensky himself. But he understands that he only has to hold out a little longer, because the experiences of Yanukovych, Yatseniuk and Poroshenko are highly instructive. These guys all increased their wealth 10-15 fold. Yatseniuk increased his own wealth 100 fold and now lives quite comfortably on the proceeds.
[yalensis: I’ll skip over a few paragraphs here, as Klintsevich continues to commentate on the Ukrainian situation, how the Americans will continue to support Zelensky, hoping against hope that he can somehow re-take Donetsk and Crimea. And then they segue back to Afghanistan and the main worry, that the Talibs, egged on by the Americans, will launch an attack against Tajikistan.]
Voyage To The World Of Underground Cities
Klintsevich: Today’s Taliban soldiers can hardly be distinguished from their American counterparts, in terms of their weapons and equipment. They have the masks, the special [night-vision] glasses, the body armor, those universal helmets, and so on. These are serious forces. Nowadays 85% of the countries in the world don’t possess such a quantity of aviation and drones as do the Talibs. How could such a thing come to pass just by accident? [yalensis: Well, I could list a bunch of ways…] Who is going to convince me of that? Me, a man with four military degrees? [yalensis: Yeh, I get it, and I don’t have even one military education, but I have seen the American Idiocracy up close, chuckle chuckle…]
Reporter: So, where will these forces go? Will they attack Tajikistan?
Klintsevich: I don’t think they will attack directly. That would be too transparent, and they would come up against an equal but opposite counter-force. No, this [Tajik campaign] will be a different kind of operation, a special operation. Specialists will be planted among the fleeing refugees, and they will have their work to do.
[Klintsevich then goes off on a Dostoevskian moralizing tangent about the rottenness of Western “values”, how it corrupts the youth, etc., although I personally doubt that Talibans suffer from this flaw]
The problem is that this so-called “Democratic Freedom” which has been foisted onto so many countries, has led to a sense that everything is permitted. People are undereducated, the youth have fallen into a moral decline. These young people are at the wave of [many of the] problems existing internally in every country, including ours; what with their sharpened sense of self-righteousness, as they organize protests and such-like. And all of this is financed from abroad, in order to tear us apart from within.
You see how they tried this in Belorussia — but they didn’t succeed, because the government there stood firm. But you know that the absolute majority of the people who came [to these protests], they were incited by provocateurs, in some cases who even possessed the right words to say. And now just imagine the same thing in Central Asia, the level of despair, where the main mass of people live on donations of relatives who work [as migrant workers] in the Russian Federation.
And imagine how this dissatisfaction could be used for one’s own enrichment and power. And many of the political parties in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizia and Kazakhstan have a paramilitary wing. But the main goal [of the terrorists] would be to flood the area with refugees. Because along with them come the guys who know what they’re doing.
[yalensis: Just as in a well-told story, for the ending the reporter circles back to the place where he began, namely the theme of Massoud.]
Reporter: If all of that is true, then why can’t [the Taliban], all the same, deal with Massoud?
Klintsevich: Because it’s different with Massoud. He won’t give them the opportunity, he will resist them. They won’t be able to just stroll in and destroy him. [Massoud’s forces] are in a position to react to aviation attacks, to drones, they can evade if needed and just hide. They have been conducting this fight for 40 years now. You can only imagine, in 40 years, how many caves and tunnels they have dug. They have built whole cities underground.